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Old Oct 27, 2008 | 10:01 AM
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Because the People of the United States will defend what they hold as sacred to them. And the vast majority of Americans claim to be Christian, Catholic, or of some other religion which clearly states that being gay is against God's will.

And if you are going for "the separation of church and state" because this is a religious ceremony with historical religious significance... brush up on what the separation of church and states actually means. Read what it was intended to do and why it was writen.
There are major legal consequences to being able to claim legally that you are married, this is about spousal and tax benefits being afforded to everyone.
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Originally Posted by jewpac42
Nothing about marriage is taught in schools. Dont believe the lies the the LDS and KOC are using to try tell us californins how to live our lives. They dont live here, they dont vote here, we dont want their hatred and bigotry in our states, and we dont want them using children to lie to us to force their extremest right wing religious bull**** on us.
Please educate and read post above before making false comments.
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 10:02 AM
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What Would Jesus Do?
Jesus wouldn't hate people for being different than he.
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Originally Posted by jewpac42
There are major legal consequences to being able to claim legally that you are married, this is about spousal and tax benefits being afforded to everyone.
Already been addressed. I am still waiting for replies to my questions

Straight answers please.
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Originally Posted by jewpac42
Jesus wouldn't hate people for being different than he.
This is true. Why do those voting yes on 8 have to hate gays?
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 10:06 AM
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Homosexuals are free to live together, to form a union.
As a class of people, are they oppressed by the government?
As far as I can tell, no more so than a boyfriend/girlfriend that are living togehter.

They are opporessed more, unlike a girlfriend/boyfriend, they do not have the ability to get married and recieve the legal and tax benefits afforded to the boyfriend/girlfriend if they so choose to get married.
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by gunmtl
I agree, I won't get too into details about how I feel about gays & lesbians but I don't care for them very much, I don't think it's right and they definitely should not be allowed to get married, It's just wrong! They definitely should not be allowed to raise children either.
Why is it wrong and why shouldn't they be allowed to raise children?
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 10:19 AM
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Truly take a second to think about the power of words before you make such a nieve statement.



Some other examples:
If you are going to quote the bible do not do so selectively, there are plenty of passages where god condones homsexuality, if not even outright endorseing it. If you are going to take the word of the bible as a guide as to how to live your life then you better accumulate several more wives, some slaves and start farming. The bible is a book of stories intended to be interpreted as to how to lead a righteous life, the words have been twisted and tainted to promote the message of bigots, which is exactly what god and the bible are intended to be against. Hide behind the veil of religion if you so choose but that doesn't make your beliefs any less hateful or bigoted.
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That's why I'm all for them having the legal rights. But it's not marriage.
So instead of trying to change the wording of what a marriage is you would rather just deny rights to those deserving of them?
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 10:21 AM
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Damn, I hate it when schools teach stupid **** like respect and tolerance.
Yeah, that really gets on my nerves.
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by medicSTi
From the California Department of Education's website:

http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/se/sexeducation.asp




Is that evidence enough Greg?
Marriage and committed relationships. So regardless of whether or not gays can marry, since they will be in committed relationships the subject must still be taught in schools. The piece of legislation you posted nullifies your argument.
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 10:24 AM
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It's not the fact that they will be teaching tolerance and respect like you would like to think. Schools have been teaching that for a long time now and have my full support. It's that they will teach that gay marriage is normal and right when the majority of Californians and Americans do not believe that's true.

I'm all for schools teaching students to respect gays, gay couples, gay unions, and their right to choose such a lifestyle. However, I'm not okay with them teaching that gays can marry or that it is normal or right. I don't want my children being taught one thing Sunday and something different Monday through Friday.
No, they will teach children to respect marriage, regardless of whether it is between a man and a woman or a same sex marriage. They are not teaching it is right or wrong, but to respect those who have chose to spend their lives together in happiness.
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by medicSTi
um, I don't know. This fella I like to call God
Who also has no place in our government. We are ruled by the laws of man, not the laws of god.
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by medicSTi
You're right that it says that marriage doesn't need to be taught, but then says that if it sex ed is taught (which 96% of schools choose to do) that marriage must be taught. Therefore, the end result is that 96% of California schools teach marriage because they teach sex ed.

And to be fair, gay marriage would have to be acknowledge and upon acknowledging gay unions as marriage, our kids will be led to the conclusion that it's okay for gay couples to marry like traditional couples.
But it is OK for gays and lesbians to get married.
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by medicSTi
You are right, I don't have the right to impose my beliefs on you. But I do have the right to vote for what I beleive is right and discuss it.
That's why marriage shouldn't be related to government in the first place. It is as it always has been, a religious ceremony.
But Americans decided that they wanted it taught in school, which is why it is taught in school. If you don't want it to be, start a movement to remove tradtitional marriage from sex ed.

As for the other part of the education code, I read it and acknowleged it as well. I think that part is great.

I'm no homophob so there is no factor in any of this for me. I'm not here to judge them and I really don't care what they do in public or behind closed doors.

I'm voting to keep marriage as it has been defined for the past 2,000+ years. And just because something has been done for a long time does not mean that it is right, but marriage was created as between a man and a woman and the world has naturally continued this tradition and stood by it's meaning since the begining of time.

***Corrected to 2,000 years thanks Hardware89***
Marriage is a legal ceremony, like it or not that is a fact.



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