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IMO, marriage shouldn't come with special benefits, tax changes, etc. It should be what it started as, which is a religious ceremony. If you wish to have the benefits and different tax options, you should then have to file a civil form. This way, someone who is not religious could have the legal union without the religious part of it.
The problem with Prop 8 is that it won't change things in CA. Right now, homosexuals can get 'married', but it's not recognized at the Federal level. If this proposition passes, homosexuals can enter in to a Domestic Partnership, which as of 2005 when the new law was enacted, gives same-sex couples ALL of the same rights as married couples. It still won't be recognized Federally. The only difference will be that same-sex couples aren't 'married'. Prop 8 is stupid and a waste of time and money.
The problem with Prop 8 is that it won't change things in CA. Right now, homosexuals can get 'married', but it's not recognized at the Federal level. If this proposition passes, homosexuals can enter in to a Domestic Partnership, which as of 2005 when the new law was enacted, gives same-sex couples ALL of the same rights as married couples. It still won't be recognized Federally. The only difference will be that same-sex couples aren't 'married'. Prop 8 is stupid and a waste of time and money.
Well put. +1
^^i effing love it!!!!
well im usually a lurker here but my feelings and opinion on 8 MADE me post here.
no on 8.
who cares what other people do if it doesnt effect you? if a gay couple wants to get married then yay for them. if theyre not allowed to get married, it isnt going to break them up or make them not be gay.
they will still be gay, just happier gay people. wtf?
absolutely no on 8
well im usually a lurker here but my feelings and opinion on 8 MADE me post here.
no on 8.
who cares what other people do if it doesnt effect you? if a gay couple wants to get married then yay for them. if theyre not allowed to get married, it isnt going to break them up or make them not be gay.
they will still be gay, just happier gay people. wtf?
absolutely no on 8
I suggest you read up on the subject more and learn how it will effect you and your children since you think it won't effect any one but those wanting to marry.
It's not about them being gay. It's about wanting to redefine marriage.
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Have you read up on the subject? Please, show me where (in the legal document, not in "scare tactic" campaign ads) it says that they will add instruction about homosexual marriages into the public school curriculum. Please, show me...
...textbooks showing "King and King" fairytales, as shown in that commercial make me want to laugh in the face of the person who created that advertisement.
Here's the text for Proposition 8 - Copied in its entirety from the online text from the State of California Voter Pamphlet:
PROPOSITION 8
This initiative measure is submitted to the people in accordance with the
provisions of Article II, Section 8, of the California Constitution.
This initiative measure expressly amends the California Constitution by
adding a section thereto; therefore, new provisions proposed to be added are
printed in italic type to indicate that they are new.
SECTION 1. Title
This measure shall be known and may be cited as the “California Marriage
Protection Act.”
SECTION 2. Section 7.5 is added to Article I of the California Constitution,
to read:
SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized
in California.
Again, HOW will this affect the children? Please, let me know how this one statement (in italics) mentions anything about educating children...if you're a good parent, then you teach tolerance, respect, love and understanding that not all people are alike, and that who (-obviously referring to human being) someone chooses to be intimate with isn't something that should be of any concern to a child.
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Buying right into the religious propoganda, I see.
Have you read up on the subject? Please, show me where (in the legal document, not in "scare tactic" campaign ads) it says that they will add instruction about homosexual marriages into the public school curriculum. Please, show me...
...textbooks showing "King and King" fairytales, as shown in that commercial make me want to laugh in the face of the person who created that advertisement.
Here's the text for Proposition 8 - Copied in its entirety from the online text from the State of California Voter Pamphlet:
PROPOSITION 8
This initiative measure is submitted to the people in accordance with the
provisions of Article II, Section 8, of the California Constitution.
This initiative measure expressly amends the California Constitution by
adding a section thereto; therefore, new provisions proposed to be added are
printed in italic type to indicate that they are new.
SECTION 1. Title
This measure shall be known and may be cited as the “California Marriage
Protection Act.”
SECTION 2. Section 7.5 is added to Article I of the California Constitution,
to read:
SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized
in California.
Have you read up on the subject? Please, show me where (in the legal document, not in "scare tactic" campaign ads) it says that they will add instruction about homosexual marriages into the public school curriculum. Please, show me...
...textbooks showing "King and King" fairytales, as shown in that commercial make me want to laugh in the face of the person who created that advertisement.
Here's the text for Proposition 8 - Copied in its entirety from the online text from the State of California Voter Pamphlet:
PROPOSITION 8
This initiative measure is submitted to the people in accordance with the
provisions of Article II, Section 8, of the California Constitution.
This initiative measure expressly amends the California Constitution by
adding a section thereto; therefore, new provisions proposed to be added are
printed in italic type to indicate that they are new.
SECTION 1. Title
This measure shall be known and may be cited as the “California Marriage
Protection Act.”
SECTION 2. Section 7.5 is added to Article I of the California Constitution,
to read:
SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized
in California.
http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/se/sexeducation.asp
Comprehensive Sexual Health Education
...Education Code (EC) 51933 (Outside Source) specifies that school districts are not required to provide comprehensive sexual health education, but if they choose to do so, they shall comply with all of the requirements listed below.
Comprehensive sexual health education instruction shall be age-appropriate and bias-free, and all factual information shall be medically accurate and objective. Instruction shall be appropriate for students of all genders, sexual orientations, and ethnic and cultural backgrounds, and it shall be accessible for English language learner students and students with disabilities. Instruction shall encourage communication between students and their families and shall teach respect for marriage and committed relationships.
In addition, in grades seven to twelve, instruction shall include all of the following: information about the value of abstinence; information about sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including all Federal Drug Administration (FDA)-approved methods of reducing the risk of contracting STDs; information about all FDA-approved methods of contraception, including emergency contraception; information about California’s newborn abandonment law (Safe Surrender Law EC 51933 [12]) (Outside Source) and Penal Code 271.5 (Outside Source) and skills for making responsible decisions about sexuality.
...Education Code (EC) 51933 (Outside Source) specifies that school districts are not required to provide comprehensive sexual health education, but if they choose to do so, they shall comply with all of the requirements listed below.
Comprehensive sexual health education instruction shall be age-appropriate and bias-free, and all factual information shall be medically accurate and objective. Instruction shall be appropriate for students of all genders, sexual orientations, and ethnic and cultural backgrounds, and it shall be accessible for English language learner students and students with disabilities. Instruction shall encourage communication between students and their families and shall teach respect for marriage and committed relationships.
In addition, in grades seven to twelve, instruction shall include all of the following: information about the value of abstinence; information about sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including all Federal Drug Administration (FDA)-approved methods of reducing the risk of contracting STDs; information about all FDA-approved methods of contraception, including emergency contraception; information about California’s newborn abandonment law (Safe Surrender Law EC 51933 [12]) (Outside Source) and Penal Code 271.5 (Outside Source) and skills for making responsible decisions about sexuality.
Is that evidence enough Greg?
And just in case those in favor of Voting No On Prop 8 want to say, "well how many schools is that?" here you go:
As stated by the ACLU in their report linked here (http://www.aclunc.org/docs/reproduct..._report.pdf?ht)
As stated by the ACLU in their report linked here (http://www.aclunc.org/docs/reproduct..._report.pdf?ht)
HIV/AIDS prevention education and sex education are nearly universally
taught in California today. Ninety-four percent of surveyed schools provide
HIV/AIDS prevention education, as is mandated by law, and an
even larger number, 96%, provide sex education despite having no requirement
to do so. Schools that teach these subjects tend to teach them together in one class
(93%), although the legal requirements governing the two subjects vary.
taught in California today. Ninety-four percent of surveyed schools provide
HIV/AIDS prevention education, as is mandated by law, and an
even larger number, 96%, provide sex education despite having no requirement
to do so. Schools that teach these subjects tend to teach them together in one class
(93%), although the legal requirements governing the two subjects vary.
It's not the fact that they will be teaching tolerance and respect like you would like to think. Schools have been teaching that for a long time now and have my full support. It's that they will teach that gay marriage is normal and right when the majority of Californians and Americans do not believe that's true.
I'm all for schools teaching students to respect gays, gay couples, gay unions, and their right to choose such a lifestyle. However, I'm not okay with them teaching that gays can marry or that it is normal or right. I don't want my children being taught one thing Sunday and something different Monday through Friday.
I'm all for schools teaching students to respect gays, gay couples, gay unions, and their right to choose such a lifestyle. However, I'm not okay with them teaching that gays can marry or that it is normal or right. I don't want my children being taught one thing Sunday and something different Monday through Friday.
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It's not the fact that they will be teaching tolerance and respect like you would like to think. Schools have been teaching that for a long time now and have my full support. It's that they will teach that gay marriage is normal and right when the majority of Californians and Americans do not believe that's true.
I'm all for schools teaching students to respect gays, gay couples, gay unions, and their right to choose such a lifestyle. However, I'm not okay with them teaching that gays can marry or that it is normal or right. I don't want my children being taught one thing Sunday and something different Monday through Friday.
I'm all for schools teaching students to respect gays, gay couples, gay unions, and their right to choose such a lifestyle. However, I'm not okay with them teaching that gays can marry or that it is normal or right. I don't want my children being taught one thing Sunday and something different Monday through Friday.
no on 8
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From the California Department of Education's website:
http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/se/sexeducation.asp
Is that evidence enough Greg?
http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/se/sexeducation.asp
Is that evidence enough Greg?
Your link which you present was written LONG in advance of Proposition 8 or its inception being even a concept in some committee meeting somewhere. I do NOT see ANYWHERE where it MANDATES COMPULSORY education of the students to say that homosexual marriage is RIGHT OR WRONG.
Nice try, however. Thanks for playing, and please try again.
Eh, I guess we'll see what a majority of Californians think in a week and a half. Polls have it at about a 50/50 split on the prop.
If school teaches that its okay for homosexuals to marry in a secular manner, there is nothing contradictory about going home and teaching your kids its morally wrong. In my experience, a child is (or at least should be) influenced more by their parents and church than school. A good parent, with a strong moral character should be able to influence more than a school system. The world is out there whether you like it or not, and its the parents job to raise the kid, not the schools.
If school teaches that its okay for homosexuals to marry in a secular manner, there is nothing contradictory about going home and teaching your kids its morally wrong. In my experience, a child is (or at least should be) influenced more by their parents and church than school. A good parent, with a strong moral character should be able to influence more than a school system. The world is out there whether you like it or not, and its the parents job to raise the kid, not the schools.
so if u dont want ur children being taught about the world and all of the people and issues in it then ur children are going to have a rude awakening when they leave the house....my question to all the people who say yes...who is the person that decides what is right or wrong???
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As for my future children having a rude awakening when they live the house...
I'm not saying that gay unions couldn't be taught about in schools like I previously posted, what I am saying is that I don't want my kids taught that gay unions are marriage because that goes against my religious beliefs in God and his Word.
Since you want your kids taught about the world and all of its people, why don't you have them take a field trip to a prison to see murders and convicts, or a rape trial, or hey, even to see an abortion done!
There is a different in teaching our youth about the world and it's people and leading them to believe that the certain group of people they are being taught about is right in what they do.
