Here's a question for you:

Are you telling us that there are NO Christian people in the world who happen to be homosexual? I'll simply point to the Catholic religion, and shouldn't have to say a word to make my point there.

By saying "include themselves (the LGBT's) in someone elses' (Church/Christians) tradition to include themselves if it alters the tradition itself?" you're completely excluding the possibility that they can be members of BOTH groups.

If I read this correctly, the statement you made is meant to say:

If gays wish to alter a tradition of the chuch (marriage) to include themselves in it, should they be allowed to do so?

In my opinion, this should be a church issue, and each individual church as a whole should be the ones to issue a decree which is binding upon their members regarding this. Why is it a political issue? That's because the Christians, in an effort to FORCE their beliefs on other people, have made it an issue, and wish to DISCRIMINATE against those whose (intimate) lives they're absolutely no part of.

 

^ on the topic of the catholic church... i think they handle marriage PERFECTLY in regards to religious ceremony. if you want to be married in a catholic church, both parties have to be catholic (or convert). i don't see this being voted on or debated.

a catholic and a non catholic can still be married, just not in a catholic church.

 

You are CRAZY! I dont care if they get married. Like I said Let them deal with marriage just liek I do. They will see its not that awesome. Howver I am 100% against drinking and driving. I have yanked friends spark plug wires so they wouldnt drive.


I was reading through some of the post and the bible got brought up. Too far back to quote. Anyway. This is my thought on this

SO the bible was written a long ****ing time ago right. Some of the books are 1000's of years. my point is this. Who knows what is in the bible is right. No one these days. The bible was written by scholars of the time. Written by people who were educated. That being said Education was not top priority for everyone. Only the rich benefit from a education. So when the bible was written who was to argue with anything it said. Most of the population could not even read. SO whatever some guy wanted the bible to say non could read or write to retort any of it.

And on another topic. SOme people say not to let gays get married, let them have their domestic partnerships they get all the same rights. THIS IS NOT TRUE. My wife and I were together for a long time before we got married. Her benefits through her job were way cheaper than mine. SO we were listed as Domestic Partners so I could get benefits. We each paid 50% of the cost of living and had been together for X amount of time so we could be considered domestic partners.

However that is still not the same as it is now that we are married. The benefits are even cheaper now cuz I am considered a spouse. If something happens to me my wife has the ability to decide if they pull the plug or keep me alive.

If you are just in a domestic partnership, regardless how long for. If something happens to your partner, you have no say over what is best for them. Lets say there is a couple been together for 20 years. Guy/Chick #1 is in a horrible accident and is put on life support Guy/Chick #2 have mno rights or say whether to leave the love of their life on it or not becuase Guy/CHick#2's family has 100% say in what happens to that persons life. Even if that was me and my wife before we were married, we are common law marriage if were were together for that long but I have no legal standing with what happens to her in that case.

I think that is bull**** and thats why they should be able to get married. Wo are we to decide who can and cant be married. I think Lboogie put it best.

I said something similar but he worded it the best.






I cant wait for this ****ING election to be over.

 

I am catholic, my wife is not. We could not get married in a catholic church. Thats just how it is. You just dont argue it.

 

Man I never knew so many people in the bay area sucked the bibles **** so hard. Seriously.......

I think gays are about 1000X better than mormons. And frankly I don't think much of the Christian religion, I don't agree with it but I'm not trying to ban it...

Look at most of the **** change everybody else mentality, it's all pushed my Christians...

well shove it up your *** nobody wants to read you quoting scripture seriously WTF.
It's funny, religion is just a place for people to dwell in once they have totally ****ed their lives up and need someone to blame so they don't have to hate themselves.

Personally I have more interesting, real stuff to do.........not made up garbage that isn't even interesting.

 

As long as they acknowledge homosexuality as a birth defect I'm ok with them getting married. It's the least we can do. It's a scientific fact that nobody wants to talk about, caused by the mother.

The thing that is odd to me is that many who support gay marriage do not support gay adoption... how's that for a double-standard? That is so gay!

 

Although I do not agree with most of the against arguments I do get sick and tired of the elitist "So, you're a bigot then?" remarks. What about one's right to be completely appalled and disgusted with the idea? They have a voice too and shouldn't be chastised for their votable position on the measure.

 

how about if I hate ******s spics ****** gooks and jews and araaabs..................I shouldn't be chastised for that should I?

no really your argument was great............as long as you are making it to a fellow retard.

 

You are correct, they do get a voice, and we'll see how they vote.

 

Yeah...ok...

I'd LOVE to see the medical journals on that study!

 

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