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Actually the origins of the separation of Church and State were to let the States choose which, if any, religion they wanted to subscribe to as to not have the federal government establish a national religion.
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Even if California puts down Prop 8, is it not true that because the Federal Government does not recognise anything but traditional marriage, that these benefits with regards to taxation and other economic breaks would not be on a Federal level?
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That is one of the most ignorant arguments I have ever heard in my entire life. Allowing gay people to marry will not mean all of the sudden brothers will be getting married, or that dogs and people will be getting married. First of all, an animal can never marry a person if for no other reason than they cannot legally consent to such a thing, they cannot sign the marriage liscense so it is an impossibility. Secondly, science has shown the negative results of those who are related being married and pro-creating. That is a riciculous argument and anyone with any sort of education should know better than to make a moronic case such as that.
That is one of the most ignorant arguments I have ever heard in my entire life. Allowing gay people to marry will not mean all of the sudden brothers will be getting married, or that dogs and people will be getting married. First of all, an animal can never marry a person if for no other reason than they cannot legally consent to such a thing, they cannot sign the marriage liscense so it is an impossibility. Secondly, science has shown the negative results of those who are related being married and pro-creating. That is a riciculous argument and anyone with any sort of education should know better than to make a moronic case such as that.
Straight answers only please. Possibly about whether or not you would discriminate against polygomists and those wanting to marry incestiously after voting for the right of the people to decide who they want to marry. With an emphasis on who has the right to decline these people their "rights."
Remember, straight answers please
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Again i ask "WHO CARES HOW YOU INTERPRET THE BIBLE????" i mean seriously... i ask you MedicSTi.... how does the gay marriage affect you PERSONALLY... how does this hurt you too the affect that are so against it?? Not everyone is a bible thumper so the whole church argument doesnt fly with alot of people... how does SOMEONE elses marriage affect YOU PERSONALLY????
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Well since we are on this subject, what do you guys think about that Maine couple? You know, the one that had their elementary school age kid get King and King read to him in school? As far as I know, the superintendent of schools said that gay marriage and gay relationships won't be taught at schools. They were for prop 8 because that even though checks are in place to make sure that these materials weren't taught, somebody would go ahead and teach it anyways..
For me personally, I really don't care what people do and what their preferences are. However, if people want to be gay, they should eventually figure that out for themselves naturally instead of being taught. I'd make an exception for that perhaps in sex ed, but kids, especially at that age should be taught other things rather than why Jack loves Jack or why Judy loves Judy.
Any thoughts on this?
For me personally, I really don't care what people do and what their preferences are. However, if people want to be gay, they should eventually figure that out for themselves naturally instead of being taught. I'd make an exception for that perhaps in sex ed, but kids, especially at that age should be taught other things rather than why Jack loves Jack or why Judy loves Judy.
Any thoughts on this?
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I'd hardly call a 4-3 decision "landmark".
4 people overturned the will of millions of people.
"Better than you" sounds very condescending considering I have not stated my position on this matter.
Please, when you resort to personal attacks, your position looses credibility
Several people have mentioned "rights" being usurped by Prop 8.
What rights are you talking about?
There is no right to marriage.
4 people overturned the will of millions of people.
"Better than you" sounds very condescending considering I have not stated my position on this matter.
Please, when you resort to personal attacks, your position looses credibility
Several people have mentioned "rights" being usurped by Prop 8.
What rights are you talking about?
There is no right to marriage.
Again i ask "WHO CARES HOW YOU INTERPRET THE BIBLE????" i mean seriously... i ask you MedicSTi.... how does the gay marriage affect you PERSONALLY... how does this hurt you too the affect that are so against it?? Not everyone is a bible thumper so the whole church argument doesnt fly with alot of people... how does SOMEONE elses marriage affect YOU PERSONALLY????
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My argument about Prop 8 is not about the Bible. It simply came up that my beliefs derive from my religion and so I answered questions when peolpe asked them.
I'll go get the quote for you.
Here you go:
From the California Department of Education's website:
http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/se/sexeducation.asp
Comprehensive Sexual Health Education
...Education Code (EC) 51933 (Outside Source) specifies that school districts are not required to provide comprehensive sexual health education, but if they choose to do so, they shall comply with all of the requirements listed below.
Comprehensive sexual health education instruction shall be age-appropriate and bias-free, and all factual information shall be medically accurate and objective. Instruction shall be appropriate for students of all genders, sexual orientations, and ethnic and cultural backgrounds, and it shall be accessible for English language learner students and students with disabilities. Instruction shall encourage communication between students and their families and shall teach respect for marriage and committed relationships.
In addition, in grades seven to twelve, instruction shall include all of the following: information about the value of abstinence; information about sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including all Federal Drug Administration (FDA)-approved methods of reducing the risk of contracting STDs; information about all FDA-approved methods of contraception, including emergency contraception; information about California’s newborn abandonment law (Safe Surrender Law EC 51933 [12]) (Outside Source) and Penal Code 271.5 (Outside Source) and skills for making responsible decisions about sexuality.
...Education Code (EC) 51933 (Outside Source) specifies that school districts are not required to provide comprehensive sexual health education, but if they choose to do so, they shall comply with all of the requirements listed below.
Comprehensive sexual health education instruction shall be age-appropriate and bias-free, and all factual information shall be medically accurate and objective. Instruction shall be appropriate for students of all genders, sexual orientations, and ethnic and cultural backgrounds, and it shall be accessible for English language learner students and students with disabilities. Instruction shall encourage communication between students and their families and shall teach respect for marriage and committed relationships.
In addition, in grades seven to twelve, instruction shall include all of the following: information about the value of abstinence; information about sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including all Federal Drug Administration (FDA)-approved methods of reducing the risk of contracting STDs; information about all FDA-approved methods of contraception, including emergency contraception; information about California’s newborn abandonment law (Safe Surrender Law EC 51933 [12]) (Outside Source) and Penal Code 271.5 (Outside Source) and skills for making responsible decisions about sexuality.
Is that evidence enough Greg?
And just in case those in favor of Voting No On Prop 8 want to say, "well how many schools is that?" here you go:
As stated by the ACLU in their report linked here (http://www.aclunc.org/docs/reproduct..._report.pdf?ht)
HIV/AIDS prevention education and sex education are nearly universally
taught in California today. Ninety-four percent of surveyed schools provide
HIV/AIDS prevention education, as is mandated by law, and an
even larger number, 96%, provide sex education despite having no requirement
to do so. Schools that teach these subjects tend to teach them together in one class
(93%), although the legal requirements governing the two subjects vary.
taught in California today. Ninety-four percent of surveyed schools provide
HIV/AIDS prevention education, as is mandated by law, and an
even larger number, 96%, provide sex education despite having no requirement
to do so. Schools that teach these subjects tend to teach them together in one class
(93%), although the legal requirements governing the two subjects vary.
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I want mormons to be able to have 6 wives and marry minors if they want. As well as people to be able to marry animals if they feel inclined. Just like gay couples argue... "you don't have the right to tell someone who they can or cannot marry."
Come on guys use logic. Gays can have the same rights as married couples, but it's called a UNION. Marriage stems from religion and has been defined as between a man and woman for 4000 years.
What if I want to call myself Asian or Black for that matter. Who's to tell me what I can call myself??
Prop 8 WILL pass. People don't want thier kids taught that gay marriage is right in our public schools. Just like in MA and at that SF teacher's wedding bs.
Definitions shouldn't be changed based on an emotional argument. Use some logic.
Come on guys use logic. Gays can have the same rights as married couples, but it's called a UNION. Marriage stems from religion and has been defined as between a man and woman for 4000 years.
What if I want to call myself Asian or Black for that matter. Who's to tell me what I can call myself??
Prop 8 WILL pass. People don't want thier kids taught that gay marriage is right in our public schools. Just like in MA and at that SF teacher's wedding bs.
Definitions shouldn't be changed based on an emotional argument. Use some logic.