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Old Oct 27, 2008 | 04:52 PM
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That's the most absurd post yet!

I'd love to see some professors of History's journals or essays about that one. PLEASE, I'm dead serious, I want you give me something to read from several professors and scholars who have written about this...
I could give you a lot of evidence that would actually support his point. With about 99% certainty, I would say that all of the founders believed that it was up to the states to determine the level of entanglement between church and state outside of the Federal government. What they differed on was what that level should be.

However, since the enactment of the 14th amendment this is no longer true and the states too must abide by the anti-establishment clause.
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 04:52 PM
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There is a big difference, homosexuality occurs in nature, incestuous relationships do not. Extra chromosones occur and real birth defects can occur when two people with similar DNA mate it can cause recessive genes to be much more likely to be passed on to generations in the future. These dangers are not imminent in a homosexual relationship.

And HIV/AIDS is only spread through blood transfusions, drug use with someone that has had homosexual activity OR homosexual activity itself.
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 04:56 PM
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And HIV/AIDS is only spread through blood transfusions, drug use with someone that has had homosexual activity OR homosexual activity itself.
That is a pretty ignorant statement, not to mention there are prevenative measures against the transmittal of HIV/AIDS, there is no preventative measure you can take to not pass along recessive genes.
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Originally Posted by jewpac42
What do you mean the dont need traditional couples? Who are you to tell them what they can and cannot have. They have every right that you and I have and if they want to get married I dont see how it dilutes anything, especially marriage when there is something like a 50% divorce rate, that dilutes the sanctity of marriage more than anything if you ask me, and further, you are a gigantic hypocrite if you think divorce is OK and gay marriage is not. I dont see what a car meet has to do with anything here, that is a stupid and irresponsible argument. And if people think homosexuality, a natural act, is distateful and immoral that is their problem and it doesn't make it right to enact legislation denying people rights that all humans should have.
Please quite with the assumptions. I have said nothing to suggest I support divorce. And I completely agree with you. Divorce rates are disgusting and completely hurtful to society.

You know exactly what I mean about the Subaru Meet. Everyone would throw a fit. It's a Subaru Meet, not a Honda Meet. Hondas can have there own meet. Please stop lying to yourself.
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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Last I checked, in terms of presenting evidence conclusive to our arguments...:

medicSTi: a bunch
jewpac42: very few

Just to remind you amigo
Thats laughable.
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Originally Posted by jewpac42
And your hated and intelorence of gays is a great role model too.
I DON'T HATE GAYS! You guys are ridiculous. I DONT BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY DO. I BELIEVE IT IS WRONG AND DETRIMENTAL TO SOCIETY. I VOTE YES ON PROP 8, THERE IS NO HATE!
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 04:58 PM
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Please quite with the assumptions. I have said nothing to suggest I support divorce. And I completely agree with you. Divorce rates are disgusting and completely hurtful to society.

You know exactly what I mean about the Subaru Meet. Everyone would throw a fit. It's a Subaru Meet, not a Honda Meet. Hondas can have there own meet. Please stop lying to yourself.
I drive a BMW and felt pretty welcome at the last Hammy meet. And to compare the reaction to those attending a car meet to not eliminating basic rights to gays and lesbians is an absurd comparison. How do you not see that?
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 04:59 PM
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I DON'T HATE GAYS! You guys are ridiculous. I DONT BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY DO. I BELIEVE IT IS WRONG AND DETRIMENTAL TO SOCIETY. I VOTE YES ON PROP 8, THERE IS NO HATE!
A vote on prop 8 is a vote for an ignorant, bigoted and hateful propsition, therefore a vote for 8 is endorsing hate.
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Originally Posted by medicSTi
I'm not worried about my children. I'm worried about society's children, my future children's peers. My kids will be brought up how I see moral.

And if you think kids are born gay, how is that any different than being born with a gene leading to alcoholism? If you want to give in to it, you can. If you don't you can fight it.
So alcoholics shouldn't have the same rights as the rest of us?

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And please answer the polygomy and incestous relationships question. I assume you are for it based on your belief that everone should be able to choose who they want to marry.
There should be no laws restricting polygamy. While you should only be able to have a civil union with one person (read: legal rights, visitation rights) I have no problem with someone marrying 100 times over in a church. Go for it.

Incest should only be disallowed because there are too many genetic risk factors and the lives of the children are therefore in limbo.

If two people are consenting adults who are not related, they should get married. The consent component is key. A goat or a child cannot give consent.
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jewpac42
That is a pretty ignorant statement, not to mention there are prevenative measures against the transmittal of HIV/AIDS, there is no preventative measure you can take to not pass along recessive genes.
Please back up your statement. Are there more ways than the following that HIV/AIDS spreads?
1. Homosexual Activity
2. Drug Use with blood Exposure from homosexual activity
3. Blood transfusion with blood exposed to homosexual activity.
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Magish
So alcoholics shouldn't have the same rights as the rest of us?



There should be no laws restricting polygamy. While you should only be able to have a civil union with one person (read: legal rights, visitation rights) I have no problem with someone marrying 100 times over in a church. Go for it.

Incest should only be disallowed because there are too many genetic risk factors and the lives of the children are therefore in limbo.

If two people are consenting adults who are not related, they should get married. The consent component is key. A goat or a child cannot give consent.
Thank you. Excellent post.
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 05:02 PM
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Please back up your statement. Are there more ways than the following that HIV/AIDS spreads?
1. Homosexual Activity
2. Drug Use with blood Exposure from homosexual activity
3. Blood transfusion with blood exposed to homosexual activity.
Heterosexual sex? Sex with a monkey, which is how AIDS came to be in the first place.
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jewpac42
I drive a BMW and felt pretty welcome at the last Hammy meet. And to compare the reaction to those attending a car meet to not eliminating basic rights to gays and lesbians is an absurd comparison. How do you not see that?

I'm sorry, did I say 1 Honda/BMW or 100 Hondas?
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by medicSTi
Last I checked, in terms of presenting evidence conclusive to our arguments...:

medicSTi: a bunch
jewpac42: very few

Just to remind you amigo
Hardly
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Originally Posted by Magish
So alcoholics shouldn't have the same rights as the rest of us?



There should be no laws restricting polygamy. While you should only be able to have a civil union with one person (read: legal rights, visitation rights) I have no problem with someone marrying 100 times over in a church. Go for it.

Incest should only be disallowed because there are too many genetic risk factors and the lives of the children are therefore in limbo.

If two people are consenting adults who are not related, they should get married. The consent component is key. A goat or a child cannot give consent.

I posted nothing about alocoholic's rights.



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