Prop 8 is discrimination against gays and their right to marry. And you do have the right to marry, you do have the right to buy a home. Are you familiar with the phrase "Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness?" The consititution was written ambigously for a reason, for later generations to interpret according to the times. If it is in the pursuit of happiness that a man wants to go marry a man he has then inalienable right to do according to the Consitiution of the United States of America. Plenty of conservatives like to quote the 2nd amendment or others when it benefits them, but when it comes to things they dont like the Constitution might as well not exist.

 

Its more than about sharing work benefits, there are plenty of legal benefits afforded to married couples that are not afforded to common law couples.

 

yes like inheritence and if they pull the plug on you.

but why complain about union and marrige?

 

Because everybody should be afforded the same rights as everyone else, regardless of age, race, gender, nation of origin or sexual orientation.

 

The problem is that I don't believe in his God, so asserting that his God somehow has authority over all that is right and wrong is incorrect.

 

Bingo, God's rule does not rule the United States of America.

 

C'mon man, spill it already, you'll feel better!

 

founded by puritans


we have alot of stuff thats still reminant from them

 

for him god rules

so thats how he votes

 

No, the colonies were founded by puritans trying to escape religious persecution in England. The country was founded by Sam Adams, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock etc. etc. on the basis of freedoms for all and the separation of church and state. That means that Gods rule does not belong in the government. Do you understand that? These are the basics of our government. I think you might need to go back to school and take a civics course.

 

God has no place in government.

 

really so maybe you should pull your head out of your *** and know before you post in a blind rage

now im a little upset you are saying im uneducated so ill drop some info on you. i know they were religious i was looking for a source here it is
Adams was born to a modest family, but he felt acutely the responsibility of living up to his family heritage: the founding generation of Puritans, who came to the American wilderness in the 1630s and established colonial presence in America. The Puritans of the great migration “believed they lived in the Bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams

 

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


ok so churches may loose thier tax exempt status. now they have to conform to gay marrige in order to stay afloat thats BS

 

Yes, they were religious men who thought religion had no place in government.

 

****, I've just been reading for like an hour.

Look, ultimately, I think that government should really not be in the business of denying rights.

The analogy (like 78 pages back) of people not having the right to interject themselves into other people's traditions is silly. Who are any of us to say that "this particular thing is mine and not yours". America is the world's melting pot.

Just as an example, I grew up American, so I celebrate Christmas even though I am not christian. I think we can all agree that Christmas is not just a celebration of Christ's birth anymore. It is a cultural celebration. American culture. People in other countries also celebrate Christmas in other ways. Are they doing it wrong? If your Christmas is centered around celebrating Christ's birth, then more power to you. But don't try to tell me that I can't celebrate Christmas because I am not christian. I can't call it Christmas? What should I call it then, "the holidays"? Ridiculous.

Look, I'm not trying to bash on christianity, either.

There are plenty of homosexuals that are devoutly religious. You can't tell them that their relationship with God is any less that yours because they are gay. That is between God and them. Ultimately, in my beliefs, that is what it comes down to. It is not my place to judge or force my beliefs on anyone else. Please tell me any one of you haven't "sinned".

And also (like 7,158 pages back) this is not the same as trying to say that you are Asian or Native American when you are not. That also, is a ridiculous analogy.

This has no affect on your life. Just admit it. So what? Now you are going to have to tell your kids you don't believe in this. Then take responsibility for educating your own children. Don't blame schools.

If you say they will be getting mixed signals/will turn gay/whatever, then you didn't teach your children well enough to make the right decisions on their own. Take responsibility for that. You should be able to tell them what your beliefs are and give them a foundation to make good choices. And trust that they will make the right choice. At least that is how I was raised, and I think my parents did a pretty good job.

That last part came out sounding a little wrong. I don't think that being gay is a decision. I meant that your children should be able to decide for themselves how they feel about homosexuality in general, not their orientation.

That is no excuse for denying someone a right. (I know, I know, Paul )

The fact of the matter is, here in CA, marriage is a legally binding contract. It is not a religious ceremony. And as such, equal rights should be afforded to all. That is not to say that people should marry animals.

Consenting adults not hurting anyone... this prop is stupid.

bleh, I hate this voting cycle.