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So if at Mt. Hammy (an all Subaru meet) if we had say, 100 Hondas show up and want to be apart of our Subaru meet, would you say it diludes the Subaru meet?
I understand that America is the world's melting pot, and I'm all for melting cultures, but it's not right for a minority to dilude the meaning for a majority. They can have their own ceremony for their own beliefs. They don't need traditional couples.
And it will effect EVERYONE's lives. It's a social acceptance of a personal choice that a majority of Americans see as distasteful and immoral. California's liberals are not the majority of the country.
I'm not worried about my children. I'm worried about society's children, my future children's peers. My kids will be brought up how I see moral.
And if you think kids are born gay, how is that any different than being born with a gene leading to alcoholism? If you want to give in to it, you can. If you don't you can fight it.
And please answer the polygomy and incestous relationships question. I assume you are for it based on your belief that everone should be able to choose who they want to marry.
I understand that America is the world's melting pot, and I'm all for melting cultures, but it's not right for a minority to dilude the meaning for a majority. They can have their own ceremony for their own beliefs. They don't need traditional couples.
And it will effect EVERYONE's lives. It's a social acceptance of a personal choice that a majority of Americans see as distasteful and immoral. California's liberals are not the majority of the country.
I'm not worried about my children. I'm worried about society's children, my future children's peers. My kids will be brought up how I see moral.
And if you think kids are born gay, how is that any different than being born with a gene leading to alcoholism? If you want to give in to it, you can. If you don't you can fight it.
And please answer the polygomy and incestous relationships question. I assume you are for it based on your belief that everone should be able to choose who they want to marry.
I hate to say this because I know it will only make you angry and that is not my purpose, but if you think that other people's actions will "dilute" the meaning of your religion or your beliefs, then maybe your beliefs aren't strong enough.
Homosexuals getting married does not dilute the significance of my marriage. People celebrating my traditions in a different way do not dilute the significance of them. Nothing anyone else does will affect my relationship with God and my family.
2.)This again is the "this is mine and not yours" attitude that only serves to feed divisiveness. America is about bringing people together that were made to feel that they weren't welcome elsewhere. What ever happened to that?
3.) This is only going to affect the people that allow it to affect them. This issue has nothing to do with me or my family (unless my daughters turn out to be gay). It is about two consenting adults. It has nothing to do with you directly. I don't understand. Maybe it's the self-centered mindset that is so prevalent in this Paris Hilton era. This isn't about you no matter how much you try to make it about you.
4.) I am not "for" polygamy or incest, but I'm not going to deny other consenting adult the right to do what they want because I don't agree with them. If they are not harming anyone, I could care less.
Polygamy is fine if all parties are adults, are consenting and (in traditional interpretations) the man can provide financial and emotional equality. I don't think people can divide emotions equally. That is why I don't think people should join in on polygamist marriages. The polygamist marriages we see on tv seem to be a man that want multiple women and the power over them. Make laws against it? No.
Incest I find objectionable, but cannot in good conscience deny them the right to marry. Darwin should do his job here and we won't have to worry about it.
Equality for all... that aren't trying to marry animals.
Let God decide if it is wrong or right. That is not my job. My job is to try to teach my children what my wife and I believe is right and wrong and help them make good decisions. My job is to protect my family from harm. This is not harm. This is two people that love each other that want to get married, and have everything that marriage implies.
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Right. How about you look up some numbers and facts, then post them. Look for the spread of the AIDs epidemic in the US from the 60s to the 90s. Heteros contracted it by messing with those who messed with homosexuals or shared needles with them.
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1.) If the honda owners are cool, I could care less. So does that mean you want me to stop celebrating Christmas?
I hate to say this because I know it will only make you angry and that is not my purpose, but if you think that other people's actions will "dilute" the meaning of your religion or your beliefs, then maybe your beliefs aren't strong enough.
Homosexuals getting married does not dilute the significance of my marriage. People celebrating my traditions in a different way do not dilute the significance of them. Nothing anyone else does will affect my relationship with God and my family.
2.)This again is the "this is mine and not yours" attitude that only serves to feed divisiveness. America is about bringing people together that were made to feel that they weren't welcome elsewhere. What ever happened to that?
3.) This is only going to affect the people that allow it to affect them. This issue has nothing to do with me or my family (unless my daughters turn out to be gay). It is about two consenting adults. It has nothing to do with you directly. I don't understand. Maybe it's the self-centered mindset that is so prevalent in this Paris Hilton era. This isn't about you no matter how much you try to make it about you.
4.) I am not "for" polygamy or incest, but I'm not going to deny other consenting adult the right to do what they want because I don't agree with them. If they are not harming anyone, I could care less.
Polygamy is fine if all parties are adults, are consenting and (in traditional interpretations) the man can provide financial and emotional equality. I don't think people can divide emotions equally. That is why I don't think people should join in on polygamist marriages. The polygamist marriages we see on tv seem to be a man that want multiple women and the power over them. Make laws against it? No.
Incest I find objectionable, but cannot in good conscience deny them the right to marry. Darwin should do his job here and we won't have to worry about it.
Equality for all... that aren't trying to marry animals.
Let God decide if it is wrong or right. That is not my job. My job is to try to teach my children what my wife and I believe is right and wrong and help them make good decisions. My job is to protect my family from harm. This is not harm. This is two people that love each other that want to get married, and have everything that marriage implies.
I hate to say this because I know it will only make you angry and that is not my purpose, but if you think that other people's actions will "dilute" the meaning of your religion or your beliefs, then maybe your beliefs aren't strong enough.
Homosexuals getting married does not dilute the significance of my marriage. People celebrating my traditions in a different way do not dilute the significance of them. Nothing anyone else does will affect my relationship with God and my family.
2.)This again is the "this is mine and not yours" attitude that only serves to feed divisiveness. America is about bringing people together that were made to feel that they weren't welcome elsewhere. What ever happened to that?
3.) This is only going to affect the people that allow it to affect them. This issue has nothing to do with me or my family (unless my daughters turn out to be gay). It is about two consenting adults. It has nothing to do with you directly. I don't understand. Maybe it's the self-centered mindset that is so prevalent in this Paris Hilton era. This isn't about you no matter how much you try to make it about you.
4.) I am not "for" polygamy or incest, but I'm not going to deny other consenting adult the right to do what they want because I don't agree with them. If they are not harming anyone, I could care less.
Polygamy is fine if all parties are adults, are consenting and (in traditional interpretations) the man can provide financial and emotional equality. I don't think people can divide emotions equally. That is why I don't think people should join in on polygamist marriages. The polygamist marriages we see on tv seem to be a man that want multiple women and the power over them. Make laws against it? No.
Incest I find objectionable, but cannot in good conscience deny them the right to marry. Darwin should do his job here and we won't have to worry about it.
Equality for all... that aren't trying to marry animals.
Let God decide if it is wrong or right. That is not my job. My job is to try to teach my children what my wife and I believe is right and wrong and help them make good decisions. My job is to protect my family from harm. This is not harm. This is two people that love each other that want to get married, and have everything that marriage implies.
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So you dont hate gays, but you dont want them to be able to get married and you blame them, and only them, for the AIDS epidemic?
Please quite with the assumptions. I have said nothing to suggest I support divorce. And I completely agree with you. Divorce rates are disgusting and completely hurtful to society.
You know exactly what I mean about the Subaru Meet. Everyone would throw a fit. It's a Subaru Meet, not a Honda Meet. Hondas can have there own meet. Please stop lying to yourself.
You know exactly what I mean about the Subaru Meet. Everyone would throw a fit. It's a Subaru Meet, not a Honda Meet. Hondas can have there own meet. Please stop lying to yourself.
We have many I-club members who don't owns subarus.
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I just want to ask, to all those who are against gay marriages.
If your child happens to be gay, would you stop loving him/her? And if Prop 8 doesn't pass and your child wants to marry, once they are adults, would you not let them? Or just would not attend?
If your child happens to be gay, would you stop loving him/her? And if Prop 8 doesn't pass and your child wants to marry, once they are adults, would you not let them? Or just would not attend?
1.) If the honda owners are cool, I could care less. So does that mean you want me to stop celebrating Christmas?
I hate to say this because I know it will only make you angry and that is not my purpose, but if you think that other people's actions will "dilute" the meaning of your religion or your beliefs, then maybe your beliefs aren't strong enough.
Homosexuals getting married does not dilute the significance of my marriage. People celebrating my traditions in a different way do not dilute the significance of them. Nothing anyone else does will affect my relationship with God and my family.
2.)This again is the "this is mine and not yours" attitude that only serves to feed divisiveness. America is about bringing people together that were made to feel that they weren't welcome elsewhere. What ever happened to that?
3.) This is only going to affect the people that allow it to affect them. This issue has nothing to do with me or my family (unless my daughters turn out to be gay). It is about two consenting adults. It has nothing to do with you directly. I don't understand. Maybe it's the self-centered mindset that is so prevalent in this Paris Hilton era. This isn't about you no matter how much you try to make it about you.
4.) I am not "for" polygamy or incest, but I'm not going to deny other consenting adult the right to do what they want because I don't agree with them. If they are not harming anyone, I could care less.
Polygamy is fine if all parties are adults, are consenting and (in traditional interpretations) the man can provide financial and emotional equality. I don't think people can divide emotions equally. That is why I don't think people should join in on polygamist marriages. The polygamist marriages we see on tv seem to be a man that want multiple women and the power over them. Make laws against it? No.
Incest I find objectionable, but cannot in good conscience deny them the right to marry. Darwin should do his job here and we won't have to worry about it.
Equality for all... that aren't trying to marry animals.
Let God decide if it is wrong or right. That is not my job. My job is to try to teach my children what my wife and I believe is right and wrong and help them make good decisions. My job is to protect my family from harm. This is not harm. This is two people that love each other that want to get married, and have everything that marriage implies.
I hate to say this because I know it will only make you angry and that is not my purpose, but if you think that other people's actions will "dilute" the meaning of your religion or your beliefs, then maybe your beliefs aren't strong enough.
Homosexuals getting married does not dilute the significance of my marriage. People celebrating my traditions in a different way do not dilute the significance of them. Nothing anyone else does will affect my relationship with God and my family.
2.)This again is the "this is mine and not yours" attitude that only serves to feed divisiveness. America is about bringing people together that were made to feel that they weren't welcome elsewhere. What ever happened to that?
3.) This is only going to affect the people that allow it to affect them. This issue has nothing to do with me or my family (unless my daughters turn out to be gay). It is about two consenting adults. It has nothing to do with you directly. I don't understand. Maybe it's the self-centered mindset that is so prevalent in this Paris Hilton era. This isn't about you no matter how much you try to make it about you.
4.) I am not "for" polygamy or incest, but I'm not going to deny other consenting adult the right to do what they want because I don't agree with them. If they are not harming anyone, I could care less.
Polygamy is fine if all parties are adults, are consenting and (in traditional interpretations) the man can provide financial and emotional equality. I don't think people can divide emotions equally. That is why I don't think people should join in on polygamist marriages. The polygamist marriages we see on tv seem to be a man that want multiple women and the power over them. Make laws against it? No.
Incest I find objectionable, but cannot in good conscience deny them the right to marry. Darwin should do his job here and we won't have to worry about it.
Equality for all... that aren't trying to marry animals.
Let God decide if it is wrong or right. That is not my job. My job is to try to teach my children what my wife and I believe is right and wrong and help them make good decisions. My job is to protect my family from harm. This is not harm. This is two people that love each other that want to get married, and have everything that marriage implies.
I just will not vote for marriage to mean homosexuals, polygomists, incest couples or anything besides a man and woman.
Homosexual marriage would change the perception of marriage, not the meaning of my beliefs. I'm really not worried about gay couples. They don't bother me in the slightest.
Did I say I blame homosexuals alone for the spread of AIDS....No I did not.
The responsibility is shared with drug users, people engaged in foursomes, and those who gave infected blood to unsuspecting people in need of blood.
Once again, Mr. Emotion, I do not hate gays. I don't even dispise gays. I have gay friends, and it doesn't even gross me out. This is not about what I think about gays, it's what I believe about marriage.
Oh, and the being born gay thing... yes I believe that people are born gay. Alcohol addiction; any addiction for that matter - I believe that science has said that people are born with the propensity for addiction. Fine. I'm not convinced that this is the explanation for all addicts. Again, personal responsibility.
I don't thing homosexuality is like addiction.
Like I said before, let God decide.
I don't thing homosexuality is like addiction.
Like I said before, let God decide.