What does going to a dr. have to do with faith in a religion? What is the harm in praying. Last thing I did before they put the gas on me for my knee surgery is pray. Praying has nothing to do with seeking assistance in modern medicine unless you're some kind of zealot. You seem to classify all believers as zealots. How is that different than classifying all non believers as say... douche bags.

My aunt has survived cancer 4 times. All with treatment. All with prayer. She's a heavy smoker and drinker yet she survives and a child with thousands of people praying for them and the best treatment money can buy dies a slow terrible death. Fair? Just? Hell no. It's just life.

You've done a good job holding your **** together through a lot of crap. Personally I believe we are all the result of our experiences and our choices. No person is the way they are without help and/or influence of others.

I don't understand how prayer could be wrong if it helps someone through something difficult. Hell, I've told God to **** off in my prayers before.

Does going to someone more experienced for advice count you as weak?

Then why should going to church or seeking some guidance?

You saying I'm a weaker person than you are because I chose a different path? Chose to believe in something different than you?

 

Everyone has their own drugs. Leave it at that.

Also, radicalism is formed in those individuals who find no other form of expression to be loud enough for everyone else to hear/care for them. Saying that Islam is not a religion of peace is wrong, just as saying that Christianity is a religion of peace.

 

yeah its upsetting when you hear a news on cnn or something about parents who prayed day and night for their child with a disease. instead of going to hospital, they just prayed. later the kid died and the parents were charged.

 

The problem is that most people think either I accept Christ as my personal savior, or I rot in hell forever. You can believe in whatever you want, but when you take a follow my path or you are cursed stance is when it becomes intolerant and offensive to me.

 

notice i purposely put a few believers and a few non believers on that list. i like a good debate, one not fraught with emotion and irrationality

 

ya really.

Well clearly i'm not as hardcore as you are. I couldn't see Jesus arguing in a thread like this either, but nobody's been perfect the past 2009 years.

You can pretend like you were lucky all you want, but don't deny the possibility of some divine intervention saving your life.

My mom is diabetic, has had 2 kidney transplants and pancreas. She was on Dialysis (with thin blood) got called to LA for her 2nd kidney, operation...internal bleeding (thin blood) heart attackx2 during the whole surgery and she made it. You can call it luck if you want, but i'll give credit to something greater and actually show my appreciation if it just so happened that the holy spirit took over and saved her.

Just keep rubbing that lucky rabbits foot and im sure you'll be fine


"is supposed to bring" he hasn't brought it yet. When he does, are you comfortable with what may happen to you?

of course i care, but im not gonna push it on people and dont like arguing about it.

yes it was, forgive me for replying to a thread within 2 seconds and not thinking about what i post. It's kinda what i do

He gave Adam and Eve a chance didn't he? and they screwed it for the rest of us. don't blame God for that. it's all sinful man.



Like i said, i posted the very first reply without thinking and its just what came out, i spent no more than 5 seconds to even think about it.

I dont think i'm better than anyone in anyway...well it's fun to beat STi's in the dirt...but thats as far as it goes

I love my best friend who i consider "lost" and i love him.

I would save every persons life in this thread from a burning building if i could.

I dont know what else i can say. Other than before this thread even happened, i knew which side most members would be on just by their replies of the past...funny how that works?

...speaking of generalizations

 

I dont tell lies either, not because of a religious thing, but because being untruthful to a fellow human being is wrong. And I dont need religion as a guide to tell me that.

 

because there is no guy that will arrive in a blue and yellow suit to cure it.

 

God gave man free will. In Adam and Eve's free will, they ate from the Tree of Knowledge. They were thrown from the Garden of Eden and into the world for breaking God's rule of not eating from the tree.

Who made them eat from the tree??? He who is responsible for suffering and death. Adam and Eve gave into the Devil's temptation through their own free will, which God gave mankind.

God did not force Adam and Eve to eat from the tree. The Devil deceived them into disobeying God.

Everyone has the ability to choose their own fate.

Genesis 3 (New International Version)

Genesis 3

The Fall of Man

1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "

4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

 

so i was wastnig time while praying for my moms life flying to LA...yeah shoulda been focusing on eating my airplane peanuts.

 

I believe in Karma, that generally good things happen to good people, and that there is a higher power somewhere in the universe.

 

my mom was a catholic school teacher and the most religous person i have ever met.

she, quit literally, rotted away from the inside over the course of 2 years. eventually her body cavity was so full of blood, puss, and 'floating' tumors that the catheters sucking the fluid out couldn't handle it, and she drowned on her own internal organs.

you have certainly found yourself a merciful god haven't you?

 

Mormonism is a sect of Christianity.

 

Then a lot of my beefs with organized religion, mostly Christianity, do not apply to you. Mainly just Catholics and Mormons.

 

Explain it for me From the beginning, in your own words please.