Hmmm, i read through this long thread and realized it doesn't sound like many people understand what Prop 8 is about, Yes it is to bar homosexual couple from getting married, but what does that actually mean?

Well here's the main issue - If the government recognizes you as a married couple, you receive tax benefits, have inheritence rights, Hospital visit rights, and rights to a child (if you aquire/create one in your relationship)

Right now homosexual couples can recieve a Domestic Partnership, which is semi-marriage like, but doesn't include all the other goodies.

I swear In the Constitution says to "Separate church from state" yet this prop completely discredits that statement. Marriage is a function of the church. Now i personally believe if they change it to "civil union between two people" and allow the same benefits without putting the Marriage tag on it there might be less resistance toward the idea.

All in all No on prop 8, they should receive the same rights for partnership as strait couples.

 

What is your point? Other than you dont think gay people should be entitled to the same rights as everyone else? I never said voting against 8 was wrong, I said it was ignorant and bigoted.

 

WOW everyone else FTW Shayhan27 FTL. Really do you all take yourselves this seriously. I mean when its all said and done Im only going to feel like a looser for um well im not. You are all shamefully poor sports who chose to gang up on some kid who just doesnt agree with homosexuality. Go back read the entire thread you might then understand where I was coming from.

 

LIES! Prop 8 will turn kids gay!!!

 

Shall we obey the law? Romans 13:1-7 says quite clearly that Christians are to submit to the law and regard it as the institution of God. 1 Peter 2:13-14 “Submit your self to every ordinance of man ... to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors.” Matthew 22:21 “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s.” Also see Titus 3:1. Matthew 23:2-3 & Ecclesiastes 8:2 This leads one to assume that Christians must and should obey the law, yet look at these verses which contradicts what I just sited. Acts 5:29 “We ought to obey God rather then men.” Exodus 1:17-20 shows God punishing the midwives for following their rulers instead of God. Also see Daniel 3:16-18, 6:7-10, Acts 4:26 & 27, Mark 12:38-40, Luke 23:11, 24 & 33-35 which all say the law should be ignored. Now we know why Christians get away with their selective morality so often.

Should we steal? (Exodus 20:15 & Leviticus 19:13) Stealing is absolutely forbidden. Yet, Exodus 3:21-22, 12:35-36 & Luke 19:29-34 all promote stealing.

Should we judge? Jesus is quoted in Matthew 7:1-2: “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged.” Also see Luke 6:37 & 1 Corinthians 5:12. Now take a look at “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). Also note 1 Corinthians 5:12 & 6:2-4.

Should we covet? Exodus 20:17 says, “Thou shalt not covet . . . anything that is thy neighbor’s,” while 1 Corinthians 12:31 says, “Covet earnestly the best gifts.” So, are we or are we not to covet?

Is lying okay? Exodus 20:16. Proverbs 12:22 & Revelations 21:8 all say lying is forbidden. Joshua 2:4-6, Exodus 1:18-20 & 1 Kings 22:21-22 all support lying.

Can we kill? Exodus 20:13 says “thou shalt not kill”. Exodus 32:27, Numbers 31, and THOUSANDS of other verses show God commanding us to kill.

Can we own slaves? Leviticus 25:45 “Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy … and they shall be your possession… they shall be your bondmen forever.” Genesis 9:25 “And he [Noah] said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.” Exodus 21:2 & 7 “If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing… And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.” Joel 3:8 “And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it.” Luke 12:47-48 [Jesus speaking] “And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.” Colossians 3:22

Can we wear long hair? Judges 13:5 & Numbers 6:5 encourages people to grow their hair and insists it is a source of strength. 1 Corinthians 11:14 calls long hair a “shame”.

Can we get married? Genesis 2:18, 1:28, Matthew 19:5 & Hebrews 13:4 all insist marriage is honorable. Marriage is disapproved and scorned in 1 Corinthians 7:1 & 7:7-8.

Can we commit adultery? Exodus 20: 14 “thou shalt not commit adultery.” Also see Hebrews 13:4. Now look at Numbers 31:18, Hosea 1:2 & 2:1-3 where adultery is advocated by God.

Can we drink alcohol? Proverbs 31:6-7, 1 Timothy 5:23 & Psalms 104:15 all encourage drinking and intoxication. Proverbs 20:1 & 23:31-32 discourage drinking and intoxication.

Do women have rights? Genesis 3:16 “And thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” 1 Timothy 2:12 says a woman must not teach, remain silent and must be subjugated to her man. 1 Corinthians 14:34 & 1 Peter 3:6 both say that women have limited rights and are under control of their men. Judges 4:4, 14-15, 5:7, Acts 2:18 & 21:9 all tell of powerful women who were not subjugated by men and were not punished for their authority of men.

....my point is, im tired of religious people trying to control and/or conform people to their liking, when the book they follow is so faulty. i vote no, if gays wanna ruin their lives by gettin married(haha) more power to them, i vote no.

 

but if you take 1000 straight couples and 1000 gay couples, you cant tell me there will be = number of gay kids on each side. The 1000 gay couple side will produce at least a few more gay kids, im pretty sure.

Nothing wrong with that, im just practicing my statistics

no on 8

 

I have yet to hear a good argument for 8 yet. Every single one is "Well, its my personal belief"

Okay, so... how is that supposed to sway my vote?

I still can't believe there is a single logical explanation to vote yes on 8. Its not a logical vote, its an emotional one.

 

The legal rifhts of adults has no bearing on kids learning about homosexuality from siblings/family members

I'm voting no. It's not my place to tell someone what they can or cannot do in a situation that has no effect on me or anyone besides them.

 

Prop 8 will shove homosexuals down your throat every 5 minutes. Better start working on that gag reflex!

 

i think a lot of people say no on 8 then get to the polls and vote yes.

 

Seriously? So you're saying that you think that if you had gay parents, it would make you more likely to like boys?

 

No, they will not. Read an article published by the APA and you will find that gay couples and hetero couples both produce, on average, 2% gay children.

 

Well, I guess the marketing is working.

Do you have a bunch of "As seen on TV!" products at home?

 

you quote allot of old T there which is to bad... since the new covenant negates it.... but i digress.

 

No!!! Not only is Prop 8 going to turn kids into homosexuals, but now they are going to force gays down my throat? LITERALLY?!?!?!?