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I'd hardly call a 4-3 decision "landmark".
4 people overturned the will of millions of people.
"Better than you" sounds very condescending considering I have not stated my position on this matter.
Please, when you resort to personal attacks, your position looses credibility
Several people have mentioned "rights" being usurped by Prop 8.
What rights are you talking about?
There is no right to marriage.
4 people overturned the will of millions of people.
"Better than you" sounds very condescending considering I have not stated my position on this matter.
Please, when you resort to personal attacks, your position looses credibility
Several people have mentioned "rights" being usurped by Prop 8.
What rights are you talking about?
There is no right to marriage.
Apparently you can't read. You keep saying this before but just ignored my post about liberty and freedom, those are the rights its violating...
maybe you need to look them up?
Liberty-
1. freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control.
2. freedom from external or foreign rule; independence.
3. freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice.
freedom-
free⋅dom
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–noun
1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint: He won his freedom after a retrial.
2. exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
3. the power to determine action without restraint.
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Apparently you can't read. You keep saying this before but just ignored my post about liberty and freedom, those are the rights its violating...
maybe you need to look them up?
Liberty-
1. freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control.
2. freedom from external or foreign rule; independence.
3. freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice.
freedom-
free⋅dom
/ˈfridəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [free-duhm] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint: He won his freedom after a retrial.
2. exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
3. the power to determine action without restraint.
maybe you need to look them up?
Liberty-
1. freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control.
2. freedom from external or foreign rule; independence.
3. freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice.
freedom-
free⋅dom
/ˈfridəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [free-duhm] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint: He won his freedom after a retrial.
2. exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
3. the power to determine action without restraint.
The government has no business dictating who can, and more importantly, who can't, get married.
Homosexuals are free to live together, to form a union.
As a class of people, are they oppressed by the government?
As far as I can tell, no more so than a boyfriend/girlfriend that are living togehter.
And Mr Koan, I was not suggesting that by allowing homosexuals to marry all sorts of other marriages will follow.
What I was pointing out was that since polygamy, et al, are prohibited forms of marriage, then why can't we, the people, prohibit homosexual marriage?
Personnally, I don't care if homosexuals are allowed to marry.
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^thats what i was saying, but i think a lot of people are hiding...people are ashamed to say yes, but thats how they feel and thats how they will vote in a closed booth.
Unfortunately, you are missing the bigger picture of government control, sanctioning certain unions, while prohibiting others.
The government has no business dictating who can, and more importantly, who can't, get married.
Homosexuals are free to live together, to form a union.
As a class of people, are they oppressed by the government?
As far as I can tell, no more so than a boyfriend/girlfriend that are living togehter.
And Mr Koan, I was not suggesting that by allowing homosexuals to marry all sorts of other marriages will follow.
What I was pointing out was that since polygamy, et al, are prohibited forms of marriage, then why can't we, the people, prohibit homosexual marriage?
Personnally, I don't care if homosexuals are allowed to marry.
The government has no business dictating who can, and more importantly, who can't, get married.
Homosexuals are free to live together, to form a union.
As a class of people, are they oppressed by the government?
As far as I can tell, no more so than a boyfriend/girlfriend that are living togehter.
And Mr Koan, I was not suggesting that by allowing homosexuals to marry all sorts of other marriages will follow.
What I was pointing out was that since polygamy, et al, are prohibited forms of marriage, then why can't we, the people, prohibit homosexual marriage?
Personnally, I don't care if homosexuals are allowed to marry.
it's pretty simple i thought even you could figure that out, not to mention it could be said it doesn't give them happiness.
But fact is when one group of people isn't allowed the same as another it is denying rights no matter the specifics.
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it's denying them certain benefits like spousal health care and spousal decesions, tax classifications ....................
it's pretty simple i thought even you could figure that out, not to mention it could be said it doesn't give them happiness.
But fact is when one group of people isn't allowed the same as another it is denying rights no matter the specifics.
it's pretty simple i thought even you could figure that out, not to mention it could be said it doesn't give them happiness.
But fact is when one group of people isn't allowed the same as another it is denying rights no matter the specifics.
Do you support polygamy?
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Vote No, gays have just as much right to be miserable in marriage as us breeders.
AND, it opens up a whole new angle on 'Wedding Crashers'. Hell, as much dispoable income as two upper middle class guys/gals would have....the parties are bound to be expensive, and that's good for the economy.
AND, it opens up a whole new angle on 'Wedding Crashers'. Hell, as much dispoable income as two upper middle class guys/gals would have....the parties are bound to be expensive, and that's good for the economy.
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IMO, marriage shouldn't come with special benefits, tax changes, etc. It should be what it started as, which is a religious ceremony. If you wish to have the benefits and different tax options, you should then have to file a civil form. This way, someone who is not religious could have the legal union without the religious part of it.
The problem with Prop 8 is that it won't change things in CA. Right now, homosexuals can get 'married', but it's not recognized at the Federal level. If this proposition passes, homosexuals can enter in to a Domestic Partnership, which as of 2005 when the new law was enacted, gives same-sex couples ALL of the same rights as married couples. It still won't be recognized Federally. The only difference will be that same-sex couples aren't 'married'. Prop 8 is stupid and a waste of time and money.
The problem with Prop 8 is that it won't change things in CA. Right now, homosexuals can get 'married', but it's not recognized at the Federal level. If this proposition passes, homosexuals can enter in to a Domestic Partnership, which as of 2005 when the new law was enacted, gives same-sex couples ALL of the same rights as married couples. It still won't be recognized Federally. The only difference will be that same-sex couples aren't 'married'. Prop 8 is stupid and a waste of time and money.
Ok lets talk about a little right and wrong here. Is it wrong to be black? Hell NO. Is it wrong to put parts of your anatomy into stinky places that it does not belong? HELL YES....Homosexuality has been around for a long time, and it has until the last 10-15 years been kept scret and viewed upn by almost all to be WRONG. Because Most people are born knowing that bumping clams while fun to wach is just as wrong as sodomy. Its just anotomically and idealogically wrong. if it was ok to be gay we would all be hermaphrodites. Who knows if your into darwinism maybe if things keep going the way they are we will all evolve into hermaphrodies. OK OK I hope you all understand I am trying to make light of the situation and I did not mean to offend anyone and am just presenting a view on a topic.
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^^i effing love it!!!!
well im usually a lurker here but my feelings and opinion on 8 MADE me post here.
no on 8.
who cares what other people do if it doesnt effect you? if a gay couple wants to get married then yay for them. if theyre not allowed to get married, it isnt going to break them up or make them not be gay.
they will still be gay, just happier gay people. wtf?
absolutely no on 8
well im usually a lurker here but my feelings and opinion on 8 MADE me post here.
no on 8.
who cares what other people do if it doesnt effect you? if a gay couple wants to get married then yay for them. if theyre not allowed to get married, it isnt going to break them up or make them not be gay.
they will still be gay, just happier gay people. wtf?
absolutely no on 8
I would also vote NO on prop 8. I think it's important for kids to learn about this issue and finally change the views of ignorant people. We all have our "beliefs" based on how we were brought up and taught. So there is no right or wrong answers, just how we learned things through our experience. That's how religious extremist in other parts of the world think whatever they do is right. We have to accept that there is no ultimate truth, but only what's in our mind. If this measure passes, we'll be giving kids a choice to what they want to learn and accept. I grew up in a catholic school, but I choose to hate Christian for their ignorance and blindly following what they were told without questioning or thinking about it. Lastly..
Why are people who even vote on this issue feel that they are so important and above others, and with their god damned self righteousness to TELL another human being what they can or can't do. I don't get the whole gay "issue". There IS not issue, people should stop thinking they are above others to treat these people as 2nd class human beings. They did not choose this way of life. I've known a few gay people, and I even heard from a gay teacher that yes, he would LOVE to be straight, to get married, to have HIS own kids, a family, but life isn't fair to them, why make it worse. There are scientific evidence that gays have a different physiological make up than straight people. I wouldn't be surprised that homosexuality is a genetic mutation.
And the world "marriage"...it's just a word. Think about how it come to be, and how word's meaning can change over time. I think those who use it as an argument only does it for the sake of argument. It's a WORD that shouldn't change people's livelihood.
Why are people who even vote on this issue feel that they are so important and above others, and with their god damned self righteousness to TELL another human being what they can or can't do. I don't get the whole gay "issue". There IS not issue, people should stop thinking they are above others to treat these people as 2nd class human beings. They did not choose this way of life. I've known a few gay people, and I even heard from a gay teacher that yes, he would LOVE to be straight, to get married, to have HIS own kids, a family, but life isn't fair to them, why make it worse. There are scientific evidence that gays have a different physiological make up than straight people. I wouldn't be surprised that homosexuality is a genetic mutation.
And the world "marriage"...it's just a word. Think about how it come to be, and how word's meaning can change over time. I think those who use it as an argument only does it for the sake of argument. It's a WORD that shouldn't change people's livelihood.
Truly take a second to think about the power of words before you make such a nieve statement.
“You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. The good man out of his good treasure brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of his evil treasure brings forth what is evil. And I say to you, that every careless word that men shall speak, they shall render account for it in the day of judgment. For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned” (Matt. 12:34-37).
Whoever thought up "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me" was an intellectual no-brainer. Words are the most powerful weapons in the world.
Death and life are in the power of the tongue, And those who love it will eat its fruit.
The mouth of the righteous is a fountain of life, But the mouth of the wicked conceals violence.