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Conditions in the shop were ~95F, 16% humidity, and 30.26 Hg.
I will agree in advance that heat has a huge impact on power...I have seen a 20 point spread from morning to afternoon temps. However, the car would have to have been tuned at near freezing temperatures to explain the decrease in power.
Considering that, there's no excuse for the AFRs being that lean.
The car owner will be coming back in a few days for a full retune.
This particular car is running a GM 3 port boost control solenoid.
Boost was peaking at 20psi, maintaining 18psi, tapering to about 15psi at redline. The boost was verified using a manifold vacuum/boost gage & the data logs.
The funny part is that the owner said to ignore the Autometer boost gage, as he claimed it was "reading too high" for how the car felt power-wise.
The car has been "pro tuned" using Cobb AccessPORT & ProTuner software.
While neither the current owner or myself know where/how the car was tuned...dyno or road...we know exactly who tuned it.
That being said, I'd expect that the tuner had used a wideband 02 sensor during the tuning process.
Knock correction was positive...albeit low...(4 - 11 degrees) but climbed as boost tapered off.
I will agree in advance that heat has a huge impact on power...I have seen a 20 point spread from morning to afternoon temps. However, the car would have to have been tuned at near freezing temperatures to explain the decrease in power.
Considering that, there's no excuse for the AFRs being that lean.
The car owner will be coming back in a few days for a full retune.
This particular car is running a GM 3 port boost control solenoid.
Boost was peaking at 20psi, maintaining 18psi, tapering to about 15psi at redline. The boost was verified using a manifold vacuum/boost gage & the data logs.
The funny part is that the owner said to ignore the Autometer boost gage, as he claimed it was "reading too high" for how the car felt power-wise.
The car has been "pro tuned" using Cobb AccessPORT & ProTuner software.
While neither the current owner or myself know where/how the car was tuned...dyno or road...we know exactly who tuned it.
That being said, I'd expect that the tuner had used a wideband 02 sensor during the tuning process.
Knock correction was positive...albeit low...(4 - 11 degrees) but climbed as boost tapered off.
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Conditions in the shop were ~95F, 16% humidity, and 30.26 Hg.
I will agree in advance that heat has a huge impact on power...I have seen a 20 point spread from morning to afternoon temps. However, the car would have to have been tuned at near freezing temperatures to explain the decrease in power.
Considering that, there's no excuse for the AFRs being that lean.
The car owner will be coming back in a few days for a full retune.
This particular car is running a GM 3 port boost control solenoid.
Boost was peaking at 20psi, maintaining 18psi, tapering to about 15psi at redline. The boost was verified using a manifold vacuum/boost gage & the data logs.
The funny part is that the owner said to ignore the Autometer boost gage, as he claimed it was "reading too high" for how the car felt power-wise.
The car has been "pro tuned" using Cobb AccessPORT & ProTuner software.
While neither the current owner or myself know where/how the car was tuned...dyno or road...we know exactly who tuned it.
That being said, I'd expect that the tuner had used a wideband 02 sensor during the tuning process.
Knock correction was positive...albeit low...(4 - 11 degrees) but climbed as boost tapered off.
I will agree in advance that heat has a huge impact on power...I have seen a 20 point spread from morning to afternoon temps. However, the car would have to have been tuned at near freezing temperatures to explain the decrease in power.
Considering that, there's no excuse for the AFRs being that lean.
The car owner will be coming back in a few days for a full retune.
This particular car is running a GM 3 port boost control solenoid.
Boost was peaking at 20psi, maintaining 18psi, tapering to about 15psi at redline. The boost was verified using a manifold vacuum/boost gage & the data logs.
The funny part is that the owner said to ignore the Autometer boost gage, as he claimed it was "reading too high" for how the car felt power-wise.
The car has been "pro tuned" using Cobb AccessPORT & ProTuner software.
While neither the current owner or myself know where/how the car was tuned...dyno or road...we know exactly who tuned it.
That being said, I'd expect that the tuner had used a wideband 02 sensor during the tuning process.
Knock correction was positive...albeit low...(4 - 11 degrees) but climbed as boost tapered off.
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Conditions in the shop were ~95F, 16% humidity, and 30.26 Hg.
I will agree in advance that heat has a huge impact on power...I have seen a 20 point spread from morning to afternoon temps. However, the car would have to have been tuned at near freezing temperatures to explain the decrease in power.
Considering that, there's no excuse for the AFRs being that lean.
The car owner will be coming back in a few days for a full retune.
This particular car is running a GM 3 port boost control solenoid.
Boost was peaking at 20psi, maintaining 18psi, tapering to about 15psi at redline. The boost was verified using a manifold vacuum/boost gage & the data logs.
The funny part is that the owner said to ignore the Autometer boost gage, as he claimed it was "reading too high" for how the car felt power-wise.
The car has been "pro tuned" using Cobb AccessPORT & ProTuner software.
While neither the current owner or myself know where/how the car was tuned...dyno or road...we know exactly who tuned it.
That being said, I'd expect that the tuner had used a wideband 02 sensor during the tuning process.
Knock correction was positive...albeit low...(4 - 11 degrees) but climbed as boost tapered off.
I will agree in advance that heat has a huge impact on power...I have seen a 20 point spread from morning to afternoon temps. However, the car would have to have been tuned at near freezing temperatures to explain the decrease in power.
Considering that, there's no excuse for the AFRs being that lean.
The car owner will be coming back in a few days for a full retune.
This particular car is running a GM 3 port boost control solenoid.
Boost was peaking at 20psi, maintaining 18psi, tapering to about 15psi at redline. The boost was verified using a manifold vacuum/boost gage & the data logs.
The funny part is that the owner said to ignore the Autometer boost gage, as he claimed it was "reading too high" for how the car felt power-wise.
The car has been "pro tuned" using Cobb AccessPORT & ProTuner software.
While neither the current owner or myself know where/how the car was tuned...dyno or road...we know exactly who tuned it.
That being said, I'd expect that the tuner had used a wideband 02 sensor during the tuning process.
Knock correction was positive...albeit low...(4 - 11 degrees) but climbed as boost tapered off.
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Not that I can see.
See post above.
See post above.
Current owner does not have paper proof of claimed ~260ish whp that the previous owner stated.
It's not the tool, but the monkey using it.
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Again, it isn't the tool as much as the person using it.
This particular car happened by the shop yesterday, so I ran it on the dyno.
For free.
To prove a point.
How would you react if the car you recently purchased was claiming to have been professionally tuned but was not only producing significantly less power but was running dangerously lean?
Vladi, bring your car by the shop sometime after Mememorial Day.
Better yet, have some of your buddies with opensource come by.
They don't have to worry about being flamed; this is all being done for the betterment of the Subaru community in large. I can give you some pointers & critique your work.
Notice, I said "critique", and not "criticize".
In fact, I'm willing to put anyone's car on the dyno, log the data, and give you my best professional opinion of your tune.
If you've been road tuned, remote tuned, ots tuned, it doesn't matter.
PM me for details.
Rest assured, this will be done in the strictest of confidence if you so choose.
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So what is the a/f actually at? Its very difficult to see with that scaling.
It sounds like the car was recently purchased... is there any guarantee that the setup currently on the car was the same as when it was originally tuned?
Finally, what relevance does this have to this thread? First you say open source base maps are dangerous and then you post a random car that showed up to your shop with a Protune from some unnamed tuner? I'm not too sure what you're trying to say or prove here?
It sounds like the car was recently purchased... is there any guarantee that the setup currently on the car was the same as when it was originally tuned?
Finally, what relevance does this have to this thread? First you say open source base maps are dangerous and then you post a random car that showed up to your shop with a Protune from some unnamed tuner? I'm not too sure what you're trying to say or prove here?
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So what is the a/f actually at? Its very difficult to see with that scaling.
It sounds like the car was recently purchased... is there any guarantee that the setup currently on the car was the same as when it was originally tuned?
Finally, what relevance does this have to this thread? First you say open source base maps are dangerous and then you post a random car that showed up to your shop with a Protune from some unnamed tuner? I'm not too sure what you're trying to say or prove here?
It sounds like the car was recently purchased... is there any guarantee that the setup currently on the car was the same as when it was originally tuned?
Finally, what relevance does this have to this thread? First you say open source base maps are dangerous and then you post a random car that showed up to your shop with a Protune from some unnamed tuner? I'm not too sure what you're trying to say or prove here?
The scaling is no different then when you used the dyno, and as far as I can tell, no different from at least two other shops that have the same dyno.
The AFR's are running 11.6ish, tapering to 11.8ish.
The current owner purchased the vehicle about one year ago, who, by the way, has assured me that no further engine-related modifications have been done to the car.
Furthermore, I cannot find any mechanical defect, such as vacuum/boost leak, weak fuel pump, to explain the performance of this car.
No DTCs are present.
The car runs fine...no hesitation, smoking, surging, etc.
It just pales in comparision to similar cars with similar modifications. performance
I never said that open source maps are dangerous; it's the tuner.
I was giving my opinion that Ego13 should be wary of those "tuners" that offer open source tuning simply because there are a lot of people, who now have a free software tuning package, that fancy themselves "tuners."
I'm not knocking VladiWRX or folks like him; want to tune their own car or even their friend's cars.
But back to the car that was here on Saturday.
You would agree that any information, as long as it's factual, is good for the Subaru community, right?
I'm just providing information to the Subaru community.