Haha, no dude I'm talking a sexy RWD 2 door sports cars for $30k! My comparison is totally valid.

Can't argue with this

 

Haha idk man. I'm not trying to pick a fight but any time anyone says oh man you could've gotten a faster car. Yes, that's true. But I bought the car for a reason.

They're both a bit outta each others leagues. If we're talking RWD coupes then..

Porsche
Vette
S13/14/15
Volvo 242


Get the point? Haha.

But to each their own!

 

Your comparison is meaningless to anyone but you. It is so far from making sense it's silly, but it's incredibly common. You are talking bench racing which is not relevant to anything, has no bearing on reality and will get you nowhere. I have no idea why people talk about stuff like this, which is why I asked.

In this particular case, it would be really awesome if you could actually walk the talk here - I mean, do it - go get a C5. Then, have the experience of realizing that there are a lot more things to consider here than just the math. If someone else were paying for tires, brakes and fuel - shoot, give me a C5. If I am paying for these items, I would choose the BRZ because I would most likely put down faster track times while realizing far less overall costs as well as much better reliability. This is based on my on-track experience of running a 2003 Z06, compared to my RWD Celicas, MR2, WRX, as well as many other cars that belonged to friends.

Do you think you can read the road test review of two cars, and then predict an outcome between two drivers? If so, then that is the problem here.

If your comparison were valid, I would agree with you. It directly conflicts with my first-hand experience with automobiles over the years.

If you prefer a car that has more power, then hey - get one.

 

I totally understand, we are all enthusiasts here! I'm not saying this car is garbage, it serves its purpose. Its beautiful and light. But lots of people wish it had more power, whats so wrong with that? If this car had a turbo and six speed, I would sell my STi for it. Like I said in my first post in this thread - No turbo, no buy!

 

Why are people getting so mad that some people want a brz with more power?

Id guess to say most owners didn't buy the brz specifically to track it or only drive roads with corners to go faster than more powerful cars...

Let's do a more real life scenario? Merging/lane changing on the freeway and you can't out accelerate a lot of cars on the road now...a lot of basic sedans and suvs have quicker acceleration than the brz...

 

I wasn't getting mad because people want more power. Haha. Was never in my statements.

And the previous person.. I agree. Everyone wants what they want. Their money buys what they want.
Not mine :]

 

Dude, I was just responding to Perry because he said his WRX felt slow, so in the 1/4 mile the BRZ will feel even slower. Both the brz and 2.0 wrx are in the 14 second range. There is no arguing this. In real life the the wrx will edge out the BRZ by a few tenths due to the AWD launch of the wrx. Other than that, they are both VERY similar in power/acceleration on the street and on the highway. Do you not agree?

Believe you me, the day that I have the luxury of an impractical 2 door sports car, it will be in my garage! In the mean time my glorified econobox impreza will do the job just fine!

 

....and for those power junkies on this thread for whom power is a must for the BRZ/FR-S, HKS has announced their solution:
HKS Supercharger kit ready for Scion FR-S, Subaru BRZ



supposedly from 157 whp to 235 whp

 

Nothing wrong with that at all. I thought you were saying that a C5 is a better car for the same money as a BRZ because it has more HP, ignoring everything else about the two cars.

People tell me I am mad sometimes, but I guess I should use more smilies. Just discussin, man.

 

Yeah I don't care about having a lot of horsepower but torque is fun, I mean 150-ft lbs is ultra pinner. So irritating that people act like if there is a higher power version there won't be a regular BRZ. Get what is right for you? But I guess the same people preaching that low torque and horsepower is a key point of the car are the same people getting bent out of shape about the addition of a higher power model. Hmm

 

So you're saying you don't get it either. Hmm. I don't think anyone has said that the BRZ "shouldn't have" more power or that more power will ruin it - seems to be just that it doesn't NEED extra like some are saying in here. I don't think anyone said anything like that a lack of power/torque makes a car better.

Maybe it can be explained like story time. See, the BRZ is like a fine sword. A fine sword does not make a good hammer. People that are saying the BRZ needs more power, they wouldn't buy a car that costs that much with that power, or that it needs XXX amount of HP before it becomes interesting, just don't understand what it's for - and that's okay! But they are saying that this fine sword would not make a good hammer.

I agree, and furthermore, rather than adding a lot of weight and a blunt surface to a fine sword so that it can also be a hammer for people that are not deft enough to use the sword, why don't people who want a hammer just go buy a flipping hammer and quit *****ing that this fine sword does not make a good hammer?

Well, because it seems that some people want to do burnouts and drag race their BRZ.

Hammer on.

 

My Justy supposedly has 73hp/tq but I can't imagine it is really putting that much power down. There have been very few cases where I have wished the car had more power, but every time I drive that car I am held up by people in much more powerful cars. That is an extreme case, but I do not believe that it's really logical to say that the BRZ has so little power that merging on the freeway could be an issue.

How much HP "should" the BRZ have to these folks that seem to think they know? Would 250hp do it? 350? How much torque? All this for the same price? If it came with a reset button like video games do, that could work for today's drivers. My guess is that the car does not have that much power at this price point to protect the young folks from their parents' ability to buy them cars.

BTW - just to be clear, I don't think anyone is mad - but - what is being said here is NOT that the BRZ should not or never have more power - but that it does not NEED more power to be fun, or a good car on the track or street. Granted most people (including myself) have not driven one, but even that is beside the point when we are regurgitating test data from very controlled circumstances involving professional drivers, then changing some details, and trying to make a case based on that.

Let me just say that I would love to drive a 350hp BRZ, but I feel there are a lot of practical and real reasons why that should not happen, as a $25-$30k factory car. Aside from my firm belief that the car does absolutely not NEED more power. It would be fun, but it's not needed and not the point of this car.

 

if it had 250 whp it be such the perfect s2k killer =D

 

I'd give up my S if brz has more than 240hp and remove those back seats.

 

The BRZ/FRS has plenty get up and go to pass traffic/merge.. I drive mine on 80 from Sac to Martinez quite often and I have absolutely no problem passing people or picking up speed.

Sounds like you none believers just need to drive one to be able to make a real logical opinion on these cars..