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so are you saying that god timed it so that the word of christianity will spread at the rate he wanted depending on the level of human civilization and advancement? isnt that too convinient to say? because everything already happened and there is no way to prove anything...since there is nothing that can be proven, the words of god seems to fit in perfectly.

 

big bang and evolution theories are being improved every year...noah's flood...thats just santa clause. big flood? plausible. big boat with 2 of each animal? not plausible.

 

**NO OFFENSE TOWARDS ANYONE IN MY POST!**

Christianity is not about going to Church every Sunday. It is about reading the bible and trying to follow, to the best of your abilities, the rules and guidelines set forth to you. It is about believing Jesus died on the cross and rose again to save everyone from there sins.

Now on the other side i can see things too since i use to be there. The thing with the "No Proof"... The proof does not happen until you put yourself into the will of God and you can see for yourself what happens. That is where the Truth and Proof is. It is not in physical stuff, and the Bible tells you that believing is not physical at all. As a matter of fact, The Movie "EXPELLED:NO INTELLIGENCE ALLOWED" made by Ben Stein is a perfect movie I believe everyone should watch. Ben explores both sides of where the beginning came from. He finds out that Darwinism(Evolution) has no beginning. they have everything else figured out but the beginning. they dont know where the single celled organism came from. and they have no proof on any of there theories to back the theories behind how it all started. Intelligent Design also have no scientific proof behind there reasoning either. Ben Stein is neither a Christian or a Darwinist, But rather just a scientist trying to find out why Intelligent design is not allowed to be taught. He finds out more than can be told on both sides of the argument. All Ben Stein wants to find out throughout the Movie is, Why is Science being suppressed? He has been told his whole life that intelligence should be known and that no one should be persecuted for what they find as a discovery. Even if proof is found to deny their science they should not be persecuted. Science should be about knowing all the possibilities and finding the correct outcome with an unbiased opinion before hand on the experiment or discovering.

http://www.expelledthemovie.com/aboutthemovie.php

**I will repeat that i mean NO OFFENSE Throughout what i just said and if you happen to take offense to something I said, I am truly sorry and I had NO intentions of causing offense.**

 

People that never hear the word of God or hear ABOUT Jesus do not go to hell. In fact when they die they are given a choice, to believe or not agree. that is how death to those that never hear about it goes down lol.

 

You are right, guns don't kill people, people kill people. Bullets don't have motives, so you are right... it must be because of the one who pulled the trigger.

Who do you think is more likely to like war?

A loving God, who's son or daughter is fighting one of His other sons or daughters?

Or, perhaps the Evil one who loves despair, death, and godlessness?

Which makes more sense to you?

 

No, I'm saying that at all.

There are people in uncivilized, remote parts of the world that have claimed to know God and when missionaries eventually made it to them and had the chance to talk with them, they asked how some had heard about God. Then they told them what they had experienced. Be it a dream, vision, a conversation, etc. I don't know if they are telling the truth, I've never talked to one. But who am I to assume God wouldn't do such a thing?

Would a loving God not be fair enough to give everyone a chance?

 

Okay, so answer me this:

What started it all? How did what came to be, come to be?

 

exactly what i said in mine and what ben stein asked one of the top Darwinist and the answer is hilarious. they have no proven idea of how it started. for a scientific proof of life, how do you not have a scientific proof of how it all started?? answer that lol

 

Great post and a great movie. I bought it a few weeks ago. The final argument with the atheist is very interesting...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCxbhGaVfE

 

if you put it that way, the evil one will of course be more aggressive.
but i dont think thats always the case, the one who's evil can be good to another and vice versa.

as long as there are enough people, war will always be there, unless we become unified, such as when we start interacting with aliens.

individuals form groups, groups form a tribe and tribes form a nation and nations form into a bigger nation. as long as we have something in comon we will unite and if not, war will be waged soon or later.

for example china, korea, or the native americans. they faught amongst themself until they were unified but at the same time, they were introduced to other foreign nations. once they know of the foreigners, they united because it no longer made them different.

but you do admit that religion has started many wars, right?
from the ancient times and even till now, all because they cant settle their differences.

"Genuine tragedies in the world are not conflicts between right and wrong. They are conflicts between two rights." - Georg Hegel

 

holy crap, 7 pages in one day?

all you ned flanders wanna-be's should just practice what you preach, take the high road, and let the heathens wallow in their own sin.

do you shove your ***** down eachothers throats like you do your beliefs to everyone else? you're all better then the rest of us... do you really need 7 pages of patting yourselves on the back?

 

all i have are theories that are supplied by theorists, physisist and scientists. and i'm sure you know the theory behind big bang or the evolution.

what i'm saying is that, what i hear from the theories make more sense than what god did. if god did make the universe, i'm sure he could have done it in 6 days, after all, he is god. science is about learning awhile the religion's way is "what we tell you is the truth".

if you really dont know the theory behind them, maybe you can watch some specials via. bittorent that explains the big bang or how the universe started.

not only that, i'm a true believer of how insignificant we, as humans are compared to the vast universe. the universe is pretty big, at this moment, we can only say that it is atleast 8.5 billion years old, thats because the furthest point we can see is how far the light has traveled, which is 8.5 billion lightyears. we cant see beyond that point so there could be another 100 billion light years or just 1 million light years more.

to get the picture, we have our solar system. then next step is the galaxy, billions and billions of stars. then beyond that are clusters of galaxies that just looks like a single galaxy, and there are countless of them. thats unthinkable numbers of planets and stars and i'm sure one of those planet is within the sweet spot of life. it could be 1 out of a billion chance but even that 1 out of a billion chance is alot compared to all the stars and planets in the universe.

and speaking of universe being 8.5 billion years old, its very possible that there has been many civilizations somewhere in the universe that has gone through what we have 3, 5, billion years ago.

all this, i cant prove and there is no way with our current technology, but just think about the numbers and its very possible.

and let me just say i'm not saying god does not exist, i'm saying there is no way to know, period. i will put my future child through church because i believe in the good values they teach. but taking the religion's teachings as fact, i dont think thats correct but that'll be up to the individual. from my perspective, until proven wrong, science makes more sense than teaching of any god. people beliving in god can be observed but unexplainable. its like ghosts, i wont believe it until i see one but some people has seen it and believes in it. it could be hallucination or real or mind tricks, who knows. I just can't believe what others tell me just because they said so.

we're still learning, thats the beauty of science. science was suppressed because it conflicted with the laws of religion. time after time, science has disproved catholic or any other religon's physical laws. i think religion is starting to evolve into more of an ideal instead of fact. ideals that'll help and guide an individual to help themself and others. awhile science teaches where we came from and where we're headed.

 

Who makes the STi, wrx, and forester? you cant throw together 3thousand pounds of metal, glass, and rubber and end up with a car. there is a maker and it is Subaru.

If you placed all the pieces of a watch into a shoebox and shook it for ten minutes, do you belive it would shake into a functioning watch? how about for a year? or try 5 billion years? No. there is no possible way for it to happen.

and if it couldnt happen by chance to something relatively simple as a watch, it most certainly couldn't happen by chance to our magnificently complex universe.

did you know any chance in the rate of rotation of the earth would make life impossible? if the earth were to rotate at 1/10th its present rate, all plant life would either be burned at day and frozen at night. also, if the moon was located at any different distance from teh earth, the continents would be submerged by water twice a day from the moon's gravity. the two constituents of teh earths' atmosphere: nitrogen and oxygen are at a ration of 78:20. without this delicate and critical ratio, life could not exist.

I dont know about you guys, but i really believe it is hard to think all this was put in a shoe box and shook around.

Good to know there are truly faithful christians out there Medicsti.

and for all those who have been hurt by the church, i am truly sorry you had to go through it. as medicsti stated, humans are at fault for those things and i can see why you would accuse them of hypocrisy. Humans will be hypocrites. thats why i like to view christianiy, NOt as a religion, but as as Relationship between myself and God.

 

oh and Thanks for all the congrats. haha