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02-23-2009, 04:43 PM
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no, i'm saying i want to live my life following what i believe. if in the end, all this afterlife and such are true, i dont understand why i would feel like a dick because there is NO WAY OF TELLING IF THERE IS AN AFTERLIFE(of course except for the bible, which is hard for me to believe as an actual story). i only follow what i know and that says afterlife cant be proven there for possibly not exist.
my friend once told me that i should put faith in god because it doesnt hurt me at all and if heaven exists, i have a little insurance to goto heaven for believing in god. but what's the point acting like i believe in it when i really dont. i dont want to lie to myself just to get into heaven, if it exists. and wont god know if i'm acting or not?
my friend once told me that i should put faith in god because it doesnt hurt me at all and if heaven exists, i have a little insurance to goto heaven for believing in god. but what's the point acting like i believe in it when i really dont. i dont want to lie to myself just to get into heaven, if it exists. and wont god know if i'm acting or not?
A lot of people called them insane because they believed that there was no way invisible things could effect their lives. Of course we found out that there were invisible things causing sickness, disease, and death... and now call them germs.
God will try to make himself known to you, it is His character. He longs to have a relationship with all of his children. If you deny Him coming into your life time and time again, after so many times, you heart will be hardened and maybe even incapable of receiving Him like the Pharaoh in the Bible with regards to the Exodus.
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02-23-2009, 04:46 PM
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Atheist checking in. I have nothing to add at this point in the thread. But I will continue to lurk because still find it interesting.
02-23-2009, 04:50 PM
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soooo the egyptians, those in BC or Greeks or any of those BC civilizations, they goto hell because they never heard of the lord jesus christ? cavemen?
just saying no religion is correct. god may exist but i dont think he'll take sides. if he does, thats a naughty god.
just saying no religion is correct. god may exist but i dont think he'll take sides. if he does, thats a naughty god.
02-23-2009, 04:56 PM
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Your logic is flawed if that is your proof. Can you say the same if a person who lives the life believing in aliens or the Easter bunny is proof that aliens or the easter bunny do exist? Just because there is a group that believes in something doesn't make that something exist. I correct myself, God exist as a figment of one's imagination. It exist in a sense that it is made up in people's minds, but externally does not hold any bearing. God is only your truth, and no matter what anyone says, there is NO absolute truth, only the ideas we create in the world we live in. The world we live in is how we see ourselves and the world around us. Everyone sees it differently, so we aren't living in the same world. Yes the physical aspects are the same. So I guess, sure, God exist for you, but he does not for me, so do not try to argue because your "truth" is not my "truth". That is not evidence but flawed logic. The bible is definitely not proof that God exists. What if there was a book that someone wrote that proclaimed of Santa Claus' existence, or aliens, or the easter bunny, or Zeus, does that make it true? No, it does not. But it is your life, you can believe in what you want, just do not try to prove to others your world.
As for going to heaven, we humans have a hard time understanding the world without time. The universe was here, was here before anything, will be here after anything. There is no end, no beginning, just existed. As in life, we will die and cease to exist, that is hard to comprehend and scary. Religion helps people go by life easier knowing they are living for "something"...a way into heaven where you can live forever. To stop existing is a very scary thought, and many cannot handle it so they turn to religion. If it makes life easier to live for you, then be it. For me, I know that my purpose in life is to procreate and do what was evolutionarily programmed for me to do. I will enjoy life to the fullest. If any of you took a college evolution and ecology class or biology class, you will understand what is hard to understand - evolution. It is really interesting to learn and everything makes sense. Do dogs, cats, guinea pigs go to heaven? Why, they have done no good in God's foot step...do trees, flowers, shrubs go to heaven? Why not them and us? We are all product of evolution. But you say they are a product of God, so...trees go to heaven too?
As for going to heaven, we humans have a hard time understanding the world without time. The universe was here, was here before anything, will be here after anything. There is no end, no beginning, just existed. As in life, we will die and cease to exist, that is hard to comprehend and scary. Religion helps people go by life easier knowing they are living for "something"...a way into heaven where you can live forever. To stop existing is a very scary thought, and many cannot handle it so they turn to religion. If it makes life easier to live for you, then be it. For me, I know that my purpose in life is to procreate and do what was evolutionarily programmed for me to do. I will enjoy life to the fullest. If any of you took a college evolution and ecology class or biology class, you will understand what is hard to understand - evolution. It is really interesting to learn and everything makes sense. Do dogs, cats, guinea pigs go to heaven? Why, they have done no good in God's foot step...do trees, flowers, shrubs go to heaven? Why not them and us? We are all product of evolution. But you say they are a product of God, so...trees go to heaven too?
It should also be evident to others, but may not be because there are definitely a lot of luke warm Christians out there, immature in their faith.
Show me any other book in the history of the world with more proof for it's existence than the Bible. Christianity has over 20,000 artifacts, original texts, and translations. As well as other historical writings that reference the same events and give the same story from non-Christians confirming what happened.
If you know where you came from and where you are going, then you will have a better idea how to live your life.
How would the world act if everyone believed that we came from Monkeys and where going no where after death?
02-23-2009, 05:04 PM
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Ahem *clears throat*
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them
I would pretty much sum that up as one huge Grade A, prime example of hate speech, intolerance, and persecution.
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them
I would pretty much sum that up as one huge Grade A, prime example of hate speech, intolerance, and persecution.
02-23-2009, 05:05 PM
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the oldest surviving fragments of gospels have been dated to approx 300-400AD with the largest complete bible (the Codex Amiatinus) dating from the late 6th century.the gutenberg press was not invented until 1439
this which means no primary source can be determined, as the authors of those fragments would have to be at least 270 years old to have touched ink to paper.
this which means no primary source can be determined, as the authors of those fragments would have to be at least 270 years old to have touched ink to paper.
02-23-2009, 05:07 PM
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The presence of God in the life of a Christian is evident to that Christian. That is what I meant.
It should also be evident to others, but may not be because there are definitely a lot of luke warm Christians out there, immature in their faith.
Show me any other book in the history of the world with more proof for it's existence than the Bible. Christianity has over 20,000 artifacts, original texts, and translations. As well as other historical writings that reference the same events and give the same story from non-Christians confirming what happened.
If you know where you came from and where you are going, then you will have a better idea how to live your life.
How would the world act if everyone believed that we came from Monkeys and where going no where after death?
It should also be evident to others, but may not be because there are definitely a lot of luke warm Christians out there, immature in their faith.
Show me any other book in the history of the world with more proof for it's existence than the Bible. Christianity has over 20,000 artifacts, original texts, and translations. As well as other historical writings that reference the same events and give the same story from non-Christians confirming what happened.
If you know where you came from and where you are going, then you will have a better idea how to live your life.
How would the world act if everyone believed that we came from Monkeys and where going no where after death?