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02-23-2009, 05:29 PM
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Thats not even going into the whole adam and eve stuff. Do you have any clue how genetically impossible it is to have a viable species from only 2 DNA sources? Even with 10 pairs of DNA/RNA you can not make a viable species outside of 12 generations.
02-23-2009, 05:30 PM
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02-23-2009, 05:32 PM
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Regardless, it is open hate speech. Speech I might point out that is held as "viable" in this modern world. You must only look to the WBC and their ilk to see what I am talking about.
02-23-2009, 05:33 PM
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of course, i may encouter one of those enlightened moments later in my life and i maybe changed but for now, that's not the case. and for someone to tell me or quote me the passages in the bible about how non-believers goto hell, that really doesnt effect me in any way. am i suppose to get scared and start believing? only way would be for god himself to talk to me or some miracle happens by god's will.
but the thing is, if some miracle does happen to me and for someone to say it was god's work, that's just too convinient to say, isnt it? if something bad happens, its the work of satan and if something good happens, its the work of god...thats just too insanely convinient for someone to say.
its a never ending paradox and thats why i refuse to believe in words that are less than 2000 years old, modified by men, yet there has been countless religions in the human civilization. why should christianity the correct one? because its the most popular? the human civilization is not done, we're a mear moment in the timeframe of the existance of earth or universe, i really dont think we're anything special, just a spec of organism that has the great power of imagination and thinking.
i'm not refusing to believe in god, i believe there is a possibility that god exists but that's something that cant be proven until i'm dead or something like armageddon happens, where ground splits and demons start slaying humans, not when a asteroid hits earth or anything of natural disaster. for now, i cant say that god exists or not but i do firmly believe that whatever it is said on bible or koran or whaver, is not believable for me.
but the thing is, if some miracle does happen to me and for someone to say it was god's work, that's just too convinient to say, isnt it? if something bad happens, its the work of satan and if something good happens, its the work of god...thats just too insanely convinient for someone to say.
its a never ending paradox and thats why i refuse to believe in words that are less than 2000 years old, modified by men, yet there has been countless religions in the human civilization. why should christianity the correct one? because its the most popular? the human civilization is not done, we're a mear moment in the timeframe of the existance of earth or universe, i really dont think we're anything special, just a spec of organism that has the great power of imagination and thinking.
i'm not refusing to believe in god, i believe there is a possibility that god exists but that's something that cant be proven until i'm dead or something like armageddon happens, where ground splits and demons start slaying humans, not when a asteroid hits earth or anything of natural disaster. for now, i cant say that god exists or not but i do firmly believe that whatever it is said on bible or koran or whaver, is not believable for me.
As for your statement about questioning the works of God as not being good and the fact that Satan is responsible for evil...
If you are going to acknowledge their existence and look at their character...
How could one not understand that Satan is a fallen angel that wanted to be God himself, cast down from Heaven to the Earth... where he roams the Earth to ruin the lives of man?
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02-23-2009, 05:35 PM
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No mater how much you want to sugar coat it, the bible is the worlds oldest and most popular teacher of hate, and intolerance.
02-23-2009, 05:36 PM
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the oldest surviving fragments of gospels have been dated to approx 300-400AD with the largest complete bible (the Codex Amiatinus) dating from the late 6th century.the gutenberg press was not invented until 1439
this which means no primary source can be determined, as the authors of those fragments would have to be at least 270 years old to have touched ink to paper.
this which means no primary source can be determined, as the authors of those fragments would have to be at least 270 years old to have touched ink to paper.
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that is only because of the progress of human civilization, the further we go back in time, the writings that tell the story of that time deminishes. for example 2000 years from now, they will be able to look at our history and see it as if it happened a hundred years ago because of the vast written/digital texts we have now. the christianity just happened to be born at the right time. also the population and the information swapping technology. like internet, which was not available back then. china never heard of jesus but anyone can know about anything through internet these days.
02-23-2009, 05:40 PM
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Noah gathering up 2 of every creature on earth comes to mind. It is a physical impossibility to place 2 of every creature in a boat 500 cubits by 500 cubits by 300 cubits.
Thats not even going into the whole adam and eve stuff. Do you have any clue how genetically impossible it is to have a viable species from only 2 DNA sources? Even with 10 pairs of DNA/RNA you can not make a viable species outside of 12 generations.
Thats not even going into the whole adam and eve stuff. Do you have any clue how genetically impossible it is to have a viable species from only 2 DNA sources? Even with 10 pairs of DNA/RNA you can not make a viable species outside of 12 generations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam
there is a possibility that the great flood did actually happen, the black sea. we're getting close to finding out that the black sea was flooded in matter of days or weeks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_theory
02-23-2009, 05:42 PM
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Someone answer this for me.
If you have so much knowledge in Christianity, tell me why you follow the King James version, or the NIV bibles for that matter.
It is very clear that there are many mistranslation OR possible mistranslations of the modern biblical text. People only understanding English are so clueless to this, and it is actually quite amusing.
For a lot of words in Greek, for instance, there are multiple translations for those words. The original translators (conveniently from the church) had the option to choose meanings that better suited their purpose. For example, the first line of the "old testament" originally speaks of "Elohim". Elohim roughly means "people from the sky". It is plural.
Also, I do not think anyone here is qualified to debate about the matter.
And. I believe religion can help people for their own reasons. People are not wrong for what they believe, but if they try to justify a sacred text they should be prepared for a backlash, and this especially goes for Christians since the text of the bible was lost on several occasions and rewritten over and over again.
If you have so much knowledge in Christianity, tell me why you follow the King James version, or the NIV bibles for that matter.
It is very clear that there are many mistranslation OR possible mistranslations of the modern biblical text. People only understanding English are so clueless to this, and it is actually quite amusing.
For a lot of words in Greek, for instance, there are multiple translations for those words. The original translators (conveniently from the church) had the option to choose meanings that better suited their purpose. For example, the first line of the "old testament" originally speaks of "Elohim". Elohim roughly means "people from the sky". It is plural.
Also, I do not think anyone here is qualified to debate about the matter.
And. I believe religion can help people for their own reasons. People are not wrong for what they believe, but if they try to justify a sacred text they should be prepared for a backlash, and this especially goes for Christians since the text of the bible was lost on several occasions and rewritten over and over again.
Translation is in the very high 90% range, more than Shakespeare, and other old texts that are widely accepted. I'll try to remember to get back to that, PM me if I forget.
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Noah gathering up 2 of every creature on earth comes to mind. It is a physical impossibility to place 2 of every creature in a boat 500 cubits by 500 cubits by 300 cubits.
Thats not even going into the whole adam and eve stuff. Do you have any clue how genetically impossible it is to have a viable species from only 2 DNA sources? Even with 10 pairs of DNA/RNA you can not make a viable species outside of 12 generations.
Thats not even going into the whole adam and eve stuff. Do you have any clue how genetically impossible it is to have a viable species from only 2 DNA sources? Even with 10 pairs of DNA/RNA you can not make a viable species outside of 12 generations.
I like my odds
02-23-2009, 05:46 PM
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That was not my purpose. You asked a question, I answered and provided you with some scripture about your question.
As for your statement about questioning the works of God as not being good and the fact that Satan is responsible for evil...
If you are going to acknowledge their existence and look at their character...
How could one not understand that Satan is a fallen angel that wanted to be God himself, cast down from Heaven to the Earth... where he roams the Earth to ruin the lives of man?
As for your statement about questioning the works of God as not being good and the fact that Satan is responsible for evil...
If you are going to acknowledge their existence and look at their character...
How could one not understand that Satan is a fallen angel that wanted to be God himself, cast down from Heaven to the Earth... where he roams the Earth to ruin the lives of man?
but that makes me wonder, isnt that too convinient to say such thing?
if a soldier is killed in battle by bullet, it was not the will of god, it was not the will of satan, the bullet just happened to go through his body and the physics of it would explain that a man with a hole in his body will die. nothing more.