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Suggestions on redirection:
-Stop pretending that Iraq is the 'hot bed' of terrorism. It isn't, Saudi Arabia is. Even most of the 'insurgents' in Iraq are from Saudi Arabia and other neighboring countries.
-Admit that we need help from the whole of the international community, not just 'The Alliance of the Willing," to curb terrorism and start serious discussions with other nations on a plan. Along with this, be willing to make concesions and compromises with allies in order to acheive a bigger goal.
-With a strong network of allies (fr/ above), impose harsh economic punishments on any country unwilling to cooperate with the plan of the network of allies.
And one out-there-for-fun: -With the strong network of allies, start an international screening program that comprehensively screens every piece of luggage, freight, etc... Run by a board of delegates from each country, hand picked employees, tons of training, etc...
I'm not saying it would work perfectly instantly, but it would be a hell of a lot better than what we're doing now (not catching ObL, not stopping international terrorism, not working with other countries except England...)
-Stop pretending that Iraq is the 'hot bed' of terrorism. It isn't, Saudi Arabia is. Even most of the 'insurgents' in Iraq are from Saudi Arabia and other neighboring countries.
-Admit that we need help from the whole of the international community, not just 'The Alliance of the Willing," to curb terrorism and start serious discussions with other nations on a plan. Along with this, be willing to make concesions and compromises with allies in order to acheive a bigger goal.
-With a strong network of allies (fr/ above), impose harsh economic punishments on any country unwilling to cooperate with the plan of the network of allies.
And one out-there-for-fun: -With the strong network of allies, start an international screening program that comprehensively screens every piece of luggage, freight, etc... Run by a board of delegates from each country, hand picked employees, tons of training, etc...
I'm not saying it would work perfectly instantly, but it would be a hell of a lot better than what we're doing now (not catching ObL, not stopping international terrorism, not working with other countries except England...)
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Originally Posted by Salty
Everyone realizes that this thread could have come to a complete stop with dub2w's statement, right?
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Originally Posted by scoobsport98
I'm sure Iraqis can think of a few... I know myself that our military isn't a bunch of religious warriors, but we have to do everything to prevent iraqi civilians from thinking so and keep them from breeding new terrorists.
From their point of view, wouldn't muslim terrorists not be considered 'islamic warriors' by peaceful followers? I'd bet they do what they can to distance themselves, even if they don't show it on foxnews.
From their point of view, wouldn't muslim terrorists not be considered 'islamic warriors' by peaceful followers? I'd bet they do what they can to distance themselves, even if they don't show it on foxnews.
The majority of "Islamic Warriors" come from other countries, such as Yemen, Chechnya, and many of the Stans, and are using the the US war in Iraq as justification.
The average citizen in Bahgdad wants these foriegn fighters out of Iraq as much as we do.
Why?
Because Iraqis realize that as soon as these foriegn terrorists are killed/routed/destroyed, the sooner the Americans will leave.
Originally Posted by MVWRX
Suggestions on redirection:
I'm not saying it would work perfectly instantly, but it would be a hell of a lot better than what we're doing now (not catching ObL, not stopping international terrorism, not working with other countries except England...)
I'm not saying it would work perfectly instantly, but it would be a hell of a lot better than what we're doing now (not catching ObL, not stopping international terrorism, not working with other countries except England...)
In the meantime...
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
Wow, we agree
Wha I asked was how would you describe it? War on Islam.
You're answering a question with a question, What would you do differently?
See, you don't know, that's the problem. You can criticize all day long, but when someone asks you for a solution, or what you would do differently you can't offer one.
Answer my questions now.
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Originally Posted by Oaf
What is this "work" you speak of?
...so we're all getting paid for this? I thought I was the only one
BTW, I apologize for any 'personal attacks' I may have made today - I know they take away from perceived objectivity and the integrity of my views. It was good discussion, I'll jump back in tomorrow morning (when I'm getting paid again
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
Thank you, that's all I really wanted.
last one for the day: So NOW can you concede that we should reconsider our methods?
Originally Posted by scoobsport98
So, unless we have a better solution, we can't point out that our current methods aren't working?
Originally Posted by scoobsport98
Sounds like the 'side' advocating we remain in occupation is a little stubborn. How about they admit this isn't working and modify the plans? We can't count on Rummy's dated warplan, so you're turning to liberals for an answer? :rotfl: I never thought the day would come.
If you stopped a mugger from stealing a purse and happened to defeat the attacker, would you leave the victim, turn around and walk away when you knocked him down? Or would you stay with her to see if he was incapacitated enough not to turn around the second you left and jack her again?
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Originally Posted by Oaf
If Spain would have expelled every Islamic person, and prevented any from returning, the train would not have been bombed.
Had the US done the same, the Twin Towers would still be standing.
Had the US done the same, the Twin Towers would still be standing.
BS. If a country kicked every Muslim out, it would just be motivation for the terrorists to up the bar and get some real WMDs and use them. Not to mention this idea you suggest is fundamentally opposed to freedom of religion.
Good reading here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
http://www.sacklunch.net/biography/M/Mohammed.html
http://www.muslimhope.com/WhyDidMoha...oManyWives.htm
http://islam.about.com/cs/law/a/c_punishment.htm
On a lighter note...
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancie...0mesolaws.html
:rotfl: It's possible literal translation may have been lost over a few thousand years, but it's still pretty entertaining.
This may be a little too much reading
http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/CODE.HTM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
http://www.sacklunch.net/biography/M/Mohammed.html
http://www.muslimhope.com/WhyDidMoha...oManyWives.htm
http://islam.about.com/cs/law/a/c_punishment.htm
On a lighter note...
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancie...0mesolaws.html
If a wife be unfaithful to her husband and then says, "You are not my husband," let her be thrown into the river
This may be a little too much reading
http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/CODE.HTM
Last edited by VIBEELEVEN; Jul 22, 2005 at 11:31 AM.
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I am sorry to read so many hate message regarding Islam, only if you could once open Quran and read it with open mind believe me you will respect this religion but I know you won't do it because you are afraid you will proof yourself wrong and agree with me. What I can do is pray for all of us and PEACE. I do invite you to visit the site and if you have any question and you are brave enough e-mail and challenge but when you challenge be respectful. Thank you
Originally Posted by svxr8dr
2400 attacks in the name of Islam since 9/11
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/default.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/default.htm