Nope, but no matter how accurate it may be, it's from an objective viewpoint so there will always be people to dispute it. I'm not saying it's incorrect, but it's like the kkk publishing black crime statistics.

 

WOW Man believe me or not I can submit thousands of sites like those for ever religion. Believe me every religion has extremism but you can't blame the religion for it. Its all the Media, as i said if watch Western Media you will think all East is messed up and if you watch Eastern Media you will think all Westerns are mess up. So don't by media go by the Book.

 

Good point Vibeeleven and don't forget ****, skin head etc can you take those people and blame religion NO. I hope you get the point.

 

...you mean SUBjective?

 

Agreed. All except for the last half of the last sentence.

 

Ya, sorry

 

You are doing the terrorists a favor by not pointing out they don't represent an established, widely held religion. Whose interests does the message of that site serve anyway? It seems to me it could either be the terrorists, or those who want to label the entire religion as terrorists. Any peaceful muslim would disagree that these killings were in the name of his or her religion.

 

Listen, flysky... you come here and spam a site like it's the supreme answer, ask "what are we [peaceful Muslims] supposed to do", and then assume we're attacking Islam in its entirety. You couldn't more wrong.

The fact of the matter is if you rewind the clock to pre-9/11 you've eliminated those 2400 attacks in the name of Islam. This is huge and has nothing to do with the media. I'm sorry that you have a percentage of lunatics smearing the "peaceful religion' you practice but what in the hell do you expect? Do you expect us to feel sorry for you and accept the religion with open arms? This isn't how the human mind reacts to what it sees happening in the name of Allah.

You want to know what I haven't seen being done yet? I have not seen any Muslims stand hand in hand against these acts. This website is a good start but fatwa is for pussies. Fatwa is pretty-much an indication that these Islamic leaders want what is currently happening at a subatomic level. You may not think this as a Muslim but the rest of the world sees it as meaningless verbage. You want to know what will make me convinced? I want to see every god damn swinging Muslim dick standing hand in hand in the middle of the ****ing desert denouncing these scum till the bitter end. They cast the first stone, NOT us. YOU fix this god damn problem if your religion means that much to you.

I don't feel sorry for you or any peaceful Muslims anymore. Does this mean i'm ignorant? No. I know that the majority of Muslims are peaceful and respect those that are. Hell, I'm good friends with a few. I'm just fed-up with the attacks, the obscured excuses, and the anti-Americanism.

Goodluck with your website. It's the only reason why i'm not dumpstering this thread.

 

I'm unlocking this thread for one reason only. It's because i'm completely convinced

 

FYI, posting those threads (and this post) took a grand total of about one minute. To expain further, this forum isn't important enough to me that I feel I need to vote to unlock a thread (or lock it, for that matter). I find it interesting that you did not ever explain why you locked the thread -- you assumed I was trying to ***** about the first amendment and ensued with the irrelevant personal attacks (including changing the title of the thread and locking it) [a classic b*tch move, IMHO]. Not to mention dumpstering the poll you created yourself (for what reason? who knows -- maybe because the outcome wasn't what you thought it would be?)

...okay... this post took me about a minute, but there wasn't much to those threads if you didn't already notice.

Enjoy the weather everyone.

 

I explained why I locked this thread initially. This entire conversation could have ended with dub2w's post. I said this somewhere back in page2. Then it turned into a meaningless debate when flysky's initial intention was to clearly spam a half-assed site. Regardless of whether or not I approve of his site, I gave him the benefit of the doubt as a step in the right direction while putting an end to the meaningless debate. That said, I did not send it to the dumpster but locked it instead. Why is it so hard for you to grasp this concept?

BTW, this is your third post among two other meaningless threads (both having a condescending title that didn't help you come off as civil, BTW). Would you like me to fax you a picture of me at my computer posting in this forum so you can beat off to it? Get over it already! Go enjoy the weather and run amok with this meaningful life you constantly brag about everytime you get upset here.

 

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I was reading something that I thought applied to our mess of a discussion: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/22/op...gewanted=print

It's an interesting viewpoint, at the least - any thoughts?

 

great link. i encourage all to read it

 

"Because they felt excluded from Western society" Nice. Good link. I've thought about what that article presents from the very beginning. If you think way back Osama was pissed with the Saudi Royals, etc.

It is an interesting argument that every attack can be linked to infidels on Holy land. 1983 Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut, 1993 WTC bombing, etc. But you also have to look at the human nature side of Osama. He's a human first, right?

I think our presence is a slight part of the problem from the start but not nearly enough to justify attacks. He was betrayed by his family and the Saudi Royals who then sided with the USA. Talk about a slap in the face. You're out to lunch if you think this didn't have a major psychological effect on Osama based on jealousy, envy, and pure anger toward the USA. Then leave it to his influential mind to spread this mentality to the Islamic puppets.

Think of it this way. If it wasn't for the fact he was betrayed do you think he would go out of his way to attack American Soil that's further away from his Buddhist and Hindu counterparts? We're talking about religious practitioners who make-up entire countries across Asia that despise Islam and those that practice it. The USA is across two major oceans and welcomes Muslims (at least more so then) for crying out loud. He thinks we hate Muslims? Not even close in comparison.

You also have to think about what could have went through Osama's mind to initiate the 9/11 attacks. I like to look at Osama's logic as if it were a business move to not have us invade the so-called Holy lands even more. That said, it was the most idiotic business move in the history of man. Think about it… did anyone honestly think that such an attack would have left us [the USA] stagnant? Even Carter would have invaded Afghanistan at the very least. It's all pure bull**** and pent-up anger in Osama's mind.

But what if this simple idea is wrong.? What if we pulled out every single infidel across the Middle East? Is this a risk you’re willing to take? What I’m trying to say is where would we stand if we pull-out every swinging dick and got attacked again? I’d like your opinion on that.

 

I'm not sure I agree with this. I agree with the fact they're lost front-runners. But why is it easier to blame Western society then the actual people? It's called being an Outkast all your life and not having the ability to overcome your weak mind. It's the same thing that triggers high school students to wear white make-up and black trenchcoats in Columbine, Colorado.