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Old Jul 20, 2005 | 12:54 PM
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Hey dude,

Check out http://askmuslims.com site.

It's very interesting and It will answer most of the question you may have about Islam. Cool check it out.
Old Jul 20, 2005 | 01:21 PM
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Havn't had time too look all the way through it but it's a great idea, thanks for posting the link.
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Wow.
The FAQ section needs another faq added...#26: Why Muslims hack off the heads of those that don't follow the teachings of the Quran.

What a bunch of fecal matter.

Originally Posted by From the Bull**** Muslim Propaganda Page
25. How should Muslims treat Jews and Christians?

The Quran calls them "People of the Book", i.e., those who received Divine scriptures before Muhammad (P). Muslims are told to treat them with respect and justice and do not fight with them unless they initiate hostilities or ridicule their faith. The Muslims ultimate hope is that they all will join them in worshipping one God and submit to His will. "Say (O Muhammad): O people of the Book (Jews and Christians) come to an agreement between us and you, that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall take no partners with Him, and none of us shall take others for Lords beside Allah. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are those who have surrendered (unto Him)." (Quran 3:64) What about Hindus, Bahai, Buddhists and members of other religions? They should also be treated with love, respect, and understanding to make them recipients of Invitations to Islam.
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Have you killed anyone that's offended you today, flysky?

Faq #27: Why are Islamic beliefs instilled in a tangible object [The Qu'ran] rather than ones being?

Anyone have another FAQ they'd like to add before I dumpster this spam?
Old Jul 20, 2005 | 02:11 PM
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What about Hindus, Bahai, Buddhists and members of other religions? They should also be treated with love, respect, and understanding to make them recipients of Invitations to Islam.
This very sentence is exactly why there's such a domain. The credibility of Islam is for **** and for very good reason. It’s sad really… People think that some Americans are anti-Islam. They don’t come close to Buddhists and so forth. You see, at least most of the American population (damn near all of it) can still give the true peaceful Muslims the benefit of the doubt as it is a free country. Your Muslim *** would be thrown in prison in Southeast Asia for posting this crap. So why aren't the Islamic terrorists attacking Vietnam if we're much more tolerant of their beliefs? Things that make you go hmmm... In fact, I move to make that very question FAQ #28
Old Jul 20, 2005 | 02:27 PM
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You know it's bs propaganda after you read this...
http://askmuslims.com/women.html

The following list contains some example of rights that Muslim women have:
1. The RIGHT and duty to acquire education.
5. The RIGHT to express her opinion.
6. The RIGHT to argue and/or advocate her cause or opinion to be heard.
7. The RIGHT to vote since 1,421 years.
9. The RIGHT to negotiate marriage terms of her choice.
10.The RIGHT to obtain divorce from her husband, even on the grounds that she simply don't like him. In Islaam divorce is suppose to be last resort.
11.The RIGHT to keep all her own money. [She is not responsible for maintenance of family].
12.The RIGHT to get sexual satisfaction from her husband.
14.The RIGHT to choose husband of her choice.
15.The RIGHT to refuse a proposed and/or arranged marriage.
EXEMPTIONS GIVEN TO WOMEN IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCE.
Women are exempt from:
a.. Fasting when they are pregnant or nursing or menstruating,
b.. Praying when menstruating or bleeding after childbirth,
c.. The obligation to attend congregational prayers in the mosque on Fridays.
Muslim women have [and are as well] headed Islamic provinces [and states as well], like Arwa bint Ahmad, who served as governor of Yemen under the Fatimid Khalifahs in the late fifth and early sixth century.
Name any other religion, political theory, or philosophy which offers such a comprehensiveness to women by giving her total control of her life and affairs ??? NONE
Think on this!
Among others, they forgot the rights of women accused of adultry to be stoned while burried up to thier neck in sand.

19. Does Islam promote violence and terrorism?

No. Islam is religion of peace and submission and stresses on the sanctity of human life. A verse in the Quran says, [Chapter 5, verse 32], that "anyone who saves one life, it is as if he has saved the whole of mankind and anyone who has killed another person (except in lieu of murder or mischief on earth) it is as if he has killed the whole of mankind." Islam condemns all the violence which happened in the Crusades, in Spain, in WW II, or by acts of people like the Rev. Jim Jones, David Koresh, Dr. Baruch Goldstein, or the atrocities committed in Bosniaby the Christian Serbs. Anyone who is doing violence is not practicing his religion at that time. However, sometimes violence is a human response of oppressed people as it happens in Palestine. Although this is wrong, they think of this as a way to get attention. There is a lot of terrorism and violence in areas where there is no Muslim presence. For example, in Ireland, South Africa, Latin America, and Sri Lanka. Sometimes the violence is due to a struggle between those who have with those who do not have, or between those who are oppressed with those who are oppressors. We need to find out why people become terrorists. Unfortunately, the Palestinians who are doing violence are called terrorists, but not the armed Israeli settlers when they do the same sometimes even against their own people. As it turned out to be in the Oklahoma City bombing, sometime Muslims are prematurely blamed even if the terrorism is committed by non-Muslims. Sometimes those who want Peace and those who oppose Peace can be of the same religion.

20. What is Islamic Fundamentalism?

There is no concept of "Fundamentalism" in Islam. The western media has coined this term to brand those Muslims who wish to return to the basic fundamental principles of Islam and mould their lives accordingly. Islam is a religion of moderation and a practicing God fearing Muslim can neither be a fanatic nor an extremist.

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Reading your reactions to this website makes me think you (Oaf and Vibe) really are anti-Islamic. At least Salty points out that this FAQ may very well be true for the majority of Islamic people.

I'll reiterate a sentimate that I often bring up. Some Christians are very bad, but you guys don't hate all of them for it. Some Islamics are very bad, but you do seem hate all of them for it (regardless of the lipservice you give to tollerance, it's failry clear that you think Islam is a flawed religion). That's hypocritical. Either admit that all religions are flawed and evil, or accept them all as equall opinions and seperate the 'extreamist Muslim terrorists' from the Islamic religion. I grew up with a guy who was Islamic (his dad was too), and they were as far from terrorists as you could get. I'm sure you all know what a small percentage of the world's Muslim population is terrorist, so why do you attack a FAQ/website like this when if very well could be representative of most of the world's Muslims??


I do have a problem with the fact that Islam strives to have politics, religion, and society all be the same and tied together. But that's what all religions want even if they don't say it outright. Otherwise why would abortion by and for others be such a big deal to Christians.

Mainly I'm saying this; before you jump to the conclusion that this website is purely propaganda, look at the percentage of Muslims who actually are peacful versus those that wish harm for the US. Then maybe you'll see that this page is an attempt to bridge a social gap that you are perpetuating.

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I clearly see and welcome the idea behind such a domain. I just think it would be much more effective to post questions on what we're clearly seeing these Islamic terrorists do. Answer such questions Oaf and myself have presented as a counter argument to what Islam should be.

The information this domain presents is relatively groundless for this reason. Prove them wrong instead of feeding us sugarcoated crap.
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Originally Posted by Salty
I clearly see and welcome the idea behind such a domain. I just think it would be much more effective to post questions on what we're clearly seeing these Islamic terrorists do. Answer such questions Oaf and myself have presented as a counter argument to what Islam should be.

But if the majority of Muslims believe that what the terrorists are doing is wrong and against the heart of the Islamic faith, why would they address these questions. Have you ever seen a Christian FAQ with the question: Why do Christian Priests like commiting sodomy on underaged boys? Of course not. How about: Why do Christians want to control Ireland and kick out the Catholics? It wouldn't be on a FAQ. So why would your similarly condemning questions be asked on the Muslim FAQ?

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Old Jul 20, 2005 | 03:25 PM
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Reading your reactions to this website makes me think you (Oaf and Vibe) really are anti-Islamic. At least Salty points out that this FAQ may very well be true for the majority of Islamic people.
Well if that's the case then they have every right to be reserved about the religion. The owners of askmuslims.com know this too or else there wouldn't be any reason for such a domain. The major difference is that Oaf and Vib have come in contact with Muslims on a regular basis and still give them the respect they'd want in return on American soil.

Originally Posted by MVWRX
I'll reiterate a sentimate that I often bring up. Some Christians are very bad, but you guys don't hate all of them for it. Some Islamics are very bad, but you do hate all of them for it (regardless of the lipservice you give to tollerance, it's failry clear that you think Islam is a flawed religion). That's hypocritical.
Thinking Islam is a flawed religion isn't hypocritical when there's a site dedicated to clearing its name. It wasn't put-out by Bubba and Clint either... it was made by concerned Muslims whom are knowingly loosing face. Doesn't this speak volumes to you?

Sure there are some religious whackos in every religion. But to compare that to Islam in the modern world is laughable. Even the infamous attacks on Oklahoma City were influenced by McVeigh's hatred to the Gov't. There was even faith ties between McVeigh and Islamic Terrorist Ramzi Youssef. You mistake ignorance for the need of security and protection. I'm not an ignorant man in the slightest and I’ve said what i'm about to say before: If I had the choice of inviting an unknown (to me) Muslim or Christian man into my house with my loving wife and children, I’d be much more reserved and suspect about allowing the Muslim to enter my house. This isn't my fault and I don't have to feel sorry in the slightest because of it!
Old Jul 20, 2005 | 03:39 PM
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[QUOTE=MVWRX]Reading your reactions to this website makes me think you (Oaf and Vibe) really are anti-Islamic.

I'm not anti islamic, I just think it's funny to see how hypocritical some of these people are, they all say islam is the religeon of peace but why so do many of them make excuses for sawing off heads of anyone who doesn't agree with them in the name of thier god?

Originally Posted by MVWRX
I'll reiterate a sentimate that I often bring up. Some Christians are very bad.
Duh
Originally Posted by MVWRX
Some Islamics are very bad, but you do seem hate all of them for it (regardless of the lipservice you give to tollerance, it's failry clear that you think Islam is a flawed religion).
Where do you come up with this crap, NOBODY ever said muslims are bad, we said extremists are, the sight specifically says...
20. What is Islamic Fundamentalism?

There is no concept of "Fundamentalism" in Islam. The western media has coined this term to brand those Muslims who wish to return to the basic fundamental principles of Islam and mould their lives accordingly. Islam is a religion of moderation and a practicing God fearing Muslim can neither be a fanatic nor an extremist.
He's either denying that fundamentalism exists in thier religeon or saying that they're not really muslims. He is an ***, he's arguing semantics probably because there is no literal translation, guess what, there's still a concept of it no matter what you believe in. So according to him (and you ) if I don't like fundamentalists (extremist is a better word), I hate all muslims because there is no such thing as a fundamentalist.

Originally Posted by MVWRX
That's hypocritical. Either admit that all religions are flawed and evil, or accept them all as equall opinions and seperate the 'extreamist Muslim terrorists' from the Islamic religion.
They all do have flaws! I tried to seperate them but you don't want to hear it (is it because you just want someone to argue with?) and the writer denys that there is a difference.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Have you ever seen a Christian FAQ with the question: Why do Christian Priests like commiting sodomy on underaged boys? Of course not. How about: Why do Christians want to control Ireland and kick out the Catholics? It wouldn't be on a FAQ. So why would your similarly condemning questions be asked on the Muslim FAQ?
I believe since christians don't have priests you're talking about catholics. Child molesting priests are pieces of **** too, but they don't make the excuse that they're a** r**ing little boys in the name of thier god.
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
I believe since christians don't have priests you're talking about catholics. Child molesting priests are pieces of **** too, but they don't make the excuse that they're a** r**ing little boys in the name of thier god.
But they do use their religious power to do it in the first place and they use the church to hide from punishment.


And you say that you have tried to seperate the fundamentalists from the peaceful Muslims. So why is it hard for you to understand that the people who wrote this site are peaceful and don't associate with the extreamists? Who cares if they think extreamists aren't Islamic, that's the same thing Christians say about strange parts of Christianity (that it's not REALLY Christian). The point is, the website isn't a lie and it doesn't 'hold back' questions in it's FAQ. I reiterate, would there be a question about the no-holds-barred war between Irish Catholics and English Protestants in a FAQ about the Christian or Catholic faiths? Hell no, so why would they include your questions about beheading in a Muslim FAQ. It is lame to say that the evil Christians don't use their religion as justification for their acts but that these fundamentalists do...you know that all religions have people who use their religion to do bad things.

Please remember that I am only responding to the assertion that the webpage posted up top is 'bs propaganda.' It's not. It's Islam from the viewpoint of good, peaceful Muslims. Don't attack it just because you want to demonize the faith. Actually, if you were to learn from that website it would make it easier to discern between the Muslims we should be affraid of and the ones who are kjust going about their lives like the rest of us.

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Old Jul 20, 2005 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
If I had the choice of inviting an unknown (to me) Muslim or Christian man into my house with my loving wife and children, I’d be much more reserved and suspect about allowing the Muslim to enter my house. This isn't my fault and I don't have to feel sorry in the slightest because of it!
I would say that situation is contrived. I know you wouldn't invite anyone unknown to you into your home, regardless of religion, because they are unknown to you. The proper question is this: if you DID know two people, both of whom you respected and thought were good people and one was a Christian while the other was Muslim, and you had the choice to invite ONE of them into your house for an evening, would their religion matter? For me it wouldn't...I don't believe it would for you either...but there are other people here who I beleive wouldn't even make friends with a Muslim because of their prejudeces.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Reading your reactions to this website makes me think you (Oaf and Vibe) really are anti-Islamic. At least Salty points out that this FAQ may very well be true for the majority of Islamic people.

I'll reiterate a sentimate that I often bring up. Some Christians are very bad, but you guys don't hate all of them for it. Some Islamics are very bad, but you do seem hate all of them for it (regardless of the lipservice you give to tollerance, it's failry clear that you think Islam is a flawed religion). That's hypocritical. Either admit that all religions are flawed and evil, or accept them all as equall opinions and seperate the 'extreamist Muslim terrorists' from the Islamic religion. I grew up with a guy who was Islamic (his dad was too), and they were as far from terrorists as you could get. I'm sure you all know what a small percentage of the world's Muslim population is terrorist, so why do you attack a FAQ/website like this when if very well could be representative of most of the world's Muslims??


I do have a problem with the fact that Islam strives to have politics, religion, and society all be the same and tied together. But that's what all religions want even if they don't say it outright. Otherwise why would abortion by and for others be such a big deal to Christians.

Mainly I'm saying this; before you jump to the conclusion that this website is purely propaganda, look at the percentage of Muslims who actually are peacful versus those that wish harm for the US. Then maybe you'll see that this page is an attempt to bridge a social gap that you are perpetuating.
- saved me some effort... thanks



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