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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Alright, so who's been making assumptions about life in an Islamic country?
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....I assume it isn't the way it's portrayed on TV... and I'm hoping that's a safe assumption.
Old Jul 21, 2005 | 01:44 PM
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What does go on on ALMOST every islamic gov't on the face of the earth? I sure as hell don't know. Please inform us. You seem to have direct experience, a wealth of knowledge, or a combination... please share.
The reason "ALMOST, MOST and SOME" are in caps from now on is so that I make it as clear as I freaking can that I'm not making a generalization, therefore I don't have to keep being called a bigot.
Old Jul 21, 2005 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN

Also, I'm not a christian, but there is no war going on today in the name of christianity. You can't say the same for islam. Islam, you need to deal with this **** internally or you will be blamed for ir over and over again.
You make it too easy...

So you think the 'jihad' being carried out by muslim fanatics is endorsed by Islam as a whole? What if a foreign muslim said our occupation in Iraq was in the name of Christianity? Gee, then that would end up in both sides feeling righteous for their cause - and the war would never end.
Old Jul 21, 2005 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by svxr8dr
Proof they exist please?
Still hanging on that? Let go. I've got one next door, if you were really questioning their existence.
Old Jul 21, 2005 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by svxr8dr
I've only experienced Islamic nations as member of the military, so my opinion is not valid
Didn't mean to say it's an 'invalid' opinion at all, but I assume that being in a country on military duty gives you a drastically different view of the place than living there for a time and experiencing the society. That's all.
Old Jul 21, 2005 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by svxr8dr
I've only experienced Islamic nations as member of the military, so my opinion is not valid
Nope it isn't. Not when your argument is based on assumptions regarding ALMOST every muslim country in the world.


BTW, are we a christian country? Oh yeah, I forgot countries weren't divided solely by religion.
Old Jul 21, 2005 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobsport98
Just a thought... but don't you think there are plenty of neo-con christians who would lke to expel all muslims from the US?
Just because their views aren't recorded and plastered all over the mid-east (like UBL's are here), it doesn't make us that much different ideologically.
Yes, there are Christians that want followers of Islam expelled.
The difference is that I can't think of one terroristic event perpetrated by said Christian Extremists against the peaceful followers of Islam.

If Spain would have expelled every Islamic person, and prevented any from returning, the train would not have been bombed.
Had the US done the same, the Twin Towers would still be standing.
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Originally Posted by scoobsport98
What if a foreign muslim said our occupation in Iraq was in the name of Christianity? Gee, then that would end up in both sides feeling righteous for their cause - and the war would never end.
Yeah, too bad america is a secular nation with a seperation of church and state.
You're trying to argue a known and admitted fact against a conspericy theory?

Iran
Official religeon 99% muslim
literacy rate 68%

Iraq
Official religeon 97%
Literacy rate 56.8%

USA
Religeons: Prodistant 55% Catholic 27% Jewish 3% Other 5% None 10%
Literacy rate 99%

See a corrolation?

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Originally Posted by scoobsport98
What if a foreign muslim said our occupation in Iraq was in the name of Christianity? Gee, then that would end up in both sides feeling righteous for their cause - and the war would never end.
Not true.

War is won when one of the combatants has had enough or loses the will/ability to continue waging war.
No amount of praying will give a soldier another round for his weapon when the munition factories are destroyed.

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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Oaf
Yes, there are Christians that want followers of Islam expelled.
The difference is that I can't think of one terroristic event perpetrated by said Christian Extremists against the peaceful followers of Islam.
And thank you! Why is it that people forget this most important factor when waging this argument?

Everyone realizes that this thread could have come to a complete stop with dub2w's statement, right?

Originally Posted by Oaf
No amount of praying will give a soldier another round for his weapon when the munition factories are destroyed.
It guarantees good shot placement when shooting at infidels wearing body armor... or so I’ve heard.
Old Jul 21, 2005 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Oaf
Not true.

War is won when one of the combatants has had enough or loses the will/ability to continue waging war.
No amount of praying will give a soldier another round for his weapon when the munition factories are destroyed.
Since our war isn't against any particular country, there is no single munitions factory or lynch pin to cripple their ability to fight. And don't even question their will- They have been brainwashed to the point where they will detonate themselves kamikaze-style, disregarding who they take with them. So, as long as we have the ability and will, so will they. I hate to say it, but this vaguely defined 'war on terror' seems to be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to 'win.' Hence our lack of progress over there.
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Originally Posted by scoobsport98
And don't even question their will- They have been brainwashed to the point where they will detonate themselves kamikaze-style, disregarding who they take with them. So, as long as we have the ability and will, so will they. I hate to say it, but this vaguely defined 'war on terror' seems to be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to 'win.' Hence our lack of progress over there.
Darwinisim at its finest. How would you coin the term since it's so vague? And what do you do since the war is "unwinable", submit? Solutions would be nice, and you wouldn't be criticized if you actually posted some. That is why your boy Kerry lost, he didn't have a plan, he only criticized and never really offered anything. It's alot easier to talk smack then it is to solve a problem, wich has become the neo-lib staple.
Old Jul 21, 2005 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobsport98
From their point of view, wouldn't muslim terrorists not be considered 'islamic warriors' by peaceful followers? blah blah fox news blah blah...
I guess they would if the religeon advocated blowing up and sawing heads off of innocent people(christians, jews and MUSLIMS). But I thought the point of this thread is that most don't?
Old Jul 21, 2005 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
Darwinisim at its finest. How would you coin the term since it's so vague? And what do you do since the war is "unwinable", submit? Solutions would be nice, and you wouldn't be criticized if you actually posted some. That is why your boy Kerry lost, he didn't have a plan, he only criticized and never really offered anything. It's alot easier to talk smack then it is to solve a problem, wich has become the neo-lib staple.
I dont understand...

Are you alluding to darwin because of the suicide bomber reference? That would be okay if they only killed themselves, and not 10-20 schoolchildren in addition.

I can coin the term 'vague war' if I want. What does the specificity of a term have to do with the ability to plaster it everywhere and fill your speeches with it?

And about the 'unwinable' war - Do you think it can be 'won' outright? If not, should we continue with full force, dumping resources into a quagmire? Or should we scale back, reconsider our methods, and possibly try something different.

I'm not smart enough to come up with a better plan, but any invalid could see that the current one isn't really working. Have we gained ground in the two years of this campaign against terror? That's a tough question - even tougher if the answer is no, considering all of the lives, effort, and resources we have put forth.


So, to summarize, I'm not talking smack - we're all part of the same country and have very similar ideals. So, you seem to agree that the current plan isn't working as well as it was planned to. Should we continue losing lives and resources at this rate while gaining no ground against terror until a new plan is proposed by some clear-thinking moderate? Wait, perhaps the WH should concede that this isn't working and come up with a better plan on their own.

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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobsport98
I dont understand...

Are you alluding to darwin because of the suicide bomber reference? That would be okay if they only killed themselves, and not 10-20 schoolchildren in addition.
Wow, we agree
Originally Posted by scoobsport98
I can coin the term 'vague war' if I want. What does the specificity of a term have to do with the ability to plaster it everywhere and fill your speeches with it?
Wha I asked was how would you describe it? War on Islam.

Originally Posted by scoobsport98
And about the 'unwinable' war - Do you think it can be 'won' outright? If not, should we continue with full force, dumping resources into a quagmire? Or should we scale back, reconsider our methods, and possibly try something different.
You're answering a question with a question, What would you do differently?

Originally Posted by scoobsport98
I'm not smart enough to come up with a better plan, but any invalid could see that the current one isn't really working. Have we gained ground in the two years of this campaign against terror? That's a tough question - even tougher if the answer is no, considering all of the lives, effort, and resources we have put forth.
See, you don't know, that's the problem. You can criticize all day long, but when someone asks you for a solution, or what you would do differently you can't offer one.



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