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Fatwa was given
Originally Posted by MVWRX
That's the first good question/comment I've heard today. It's a great question, and I believe there are many Muslims who would like that question answered.
It's just speculation, but maybe it's because the type of Muslims who are offended by the acts of ObL are also the type that think Fatwas in general are too extreme...just speculation though...
It's just speculation, but maybe it's because the type of Muslims who are offended by the acts of ObL are also the type that think Fatwas in general are too extreme...just speculation though...
See this is the thing, Media covers only the things which it wants and rest is never told. Every Major scholar in Islam has given fatwa that any Muslim who Kills a innocent person will go to Hell and that does include OBL because he is a Muslims, what else do you want. And Media doesn't cover this for that you can't blame Muslims and thats what Media like and that why We have our quote "Ask Muslims not the Media" Guys insteading of insulting Islam why don't you e-mail from site and get answer instead of just spreading wrong message. We don't have our media yet but we started a site which will probably answer your questions and clear some of the misconceptions. Lastly Yes Women have all the rights which is on our site its people who don't follow them so you can't blame Islam for it. Remember this "Don't judge the book but its cover" Hope to get e-mails from all of you. PEACE
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
I supose I did confuse fear with prejudice...although you could say that fear is the root of all prejudices.
My point about your hypothetical situation is this: you're making the assumption that you're gonna let someone you don't know in your home. With that assumption, you'd rather have someone that is Christian than Muslim be that unknown person. The assumption is a little absurd to begin with seeing as the point of the hypothetical situation is to proove what is more fearsome...because letting anyone that is unknown in is fearsome. BUT, you're right, a lot of people would agree with that statement...because they have false securities in Christianity and false fears of the average Muslim. Like I said...fear is the root of prejudice...
BTW, just because many people feel how you do doesn't mean that it's a good way to feel or that it isn't contrived. I know you know that, though, from other conversations.
My point about your hypothetical situation is this: you're making the assumption that you're gonna let someone you don't know in your home. With that assumption, you'd rather have someone that is Christian than Muslim be that unknown person. The assumption is a little absurd to begin with seeing as the point of the hypothetical situation is to proove what is more fearsome...because letting anyone that is unknown in is fearsome. BUT, you're right, a lot of people would agree with that statement...because they have false securities in Christianity and false fears of the average Muslim. Like I said...fear is the root of prejudice...
BTW, just because many people feel how you do doesn't mean that it's a good way to feel or that it isn't contrived. I know you know that, though, from other conversations.
Anyway - here's my .02 -
...ethnocentrism strikes again...
C'mon people - remove yourself from your own life experiences and resulting biases for a sec., and consider what this site is attempting to acheive OBJECTIVELY. It is an attempt to bridge the gap and increase understanding and knowledge - exactly the opposite goal of some unnamed (FOXNEWS) media outlets.
But think what you may - if you feel this is simply a site to convert people, recruit terrorists, misinform, whatever ludacrous premonition you are refusing to set aside, then please don't pollute this thread with degenerative, unconstructive BS.
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Lastly I got to say to everyone who complained that Islam is not a peaceful religion. If you know the largest population of Muslims is not in Middle East but its in Central Asia and how did Islam spread there. can u Guess....
Let me inform you that it was not spread by war or killing but it was spread by its peaceful message and not a single drop of blood was dropped. That should show the picture. Thank you and once again i invite you to askmuslims.com and encourage you all to e-mail any questions you have. Thank you
Let me inform you that it was not spread by war or killing but it was spread by its peaceful message and not a single drop of blood was dropped. That should show the picture. Thank you and once again i invite you to askmuslims.com and encourage you all to e-mail any questions you have. Thank you
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Im jumping into this discussion mid-stream, but there is one thing I wanted to interject:
The Muslim world needs to do more to curb their radical elements. Until they do, there will be whole lot of pissed off people who hate Muslims. Im not commenting on the fairness of this reaction, but it is the truth.
The Muslim world needs to do more to curb their radical elements. Until they do, there will be whole lot of pissed off people who hate Muslims. Im not commenting on the fairness of this reaction, but it is the truth.
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Originally Posted by svxr8dr
http://www.beyondbooks.com/wcu91/3f.asp
In 711 C.E., the powerful Muslim governor of Iraq wished to gain greater control over shipping lanes in the Indian Ocean. He mounted an invasion of South Asia, and the Sind province in modern Pakistan became the first Muslim province in India. For 200 years, it was the only Muslim province in the region.
But in the late 10th century, a Muslim Turkish leader, MAHMOUD OF GHANZI, led a series of 17 invasions into India. In these fierce and bloody conflicts, the raiders destroyed Hindu temples, captured Hindus as slaves, and pillaged the wealth of the Indian cities.
Let's talk more about the spread of Islam into Asia
In 711 C.E., the powerful Muslim governor of Iraq wished to gain greater control over shipping lanes in the Indian Ocean. He mounted an invasion of South Asia, and the Sind province in modern Pakistan became the first Muslim province in India. For 200 years, it was the only Muslim province in the region.
But in the late 10th century, a Muslim Turkish leader, MAHMOUD OF GHANZI, led a series of 17 invasions into India. In these fierce and bloody conflicts, the raiders destroyed Hindu temples, captured Hindus as slaves, and pillaged the wealth of the Indian cities.
Let's talk more about the spread of Islam into Asia
"But there have been moments of peaceful coexistence, even under the Moghul Empire that was founded by Muslim invaders. And despite all the conflict, cultural exchange has been enriching for the Muslim and Hindu people. In the past they have enhanced one another's understandings of science, art, and music, and even today they can share the treasures of their cherished land."
And your point is...............? ?Muslims are ruthless killers, all along? Ever heard of the Crusades? Are you surprised that the conversion of faith during the spread of Islam wasn't taken with open arms by hindus, etc.? Or are you simply trying to disprove one thing said by flysky in a weak effort to uphold your views and sh*t on his? I think it's the latter, but that's just a hunch.
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I'm not trying to paint a pretty picture of the whole thing, I'm simply trying to look at the entire issue from an objective viewpoint.
And I should mention I wholeheartedly agree with dub2w's last statement. You can feel that way and still realize that the majority of muslims are peaceful.
And I should mention I wholeheartedly agree with dub2w's last statement. You can feel that way and still realize that the majority of muslims are peaceful.
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Originally Posted by svxr8dr
My point is the B.S line about:
"Let me inform you that it was not spread by war or killing but it was spread by its peaceful message and not a single drop of blood was dropped"
"Let me inform you that it was not spread by war or killing but it was spread by its peaceful message and not a single drop of blood was dropped"
...so I was right.
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If you're confused, I wasn't trying to start an argument about what religion caused the most bloodspill during it's spreading - I was pointing out your biased take on the issue.
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Originally Posted by svxr8dr
The majority of the Crusades were defensive wars for your information.
1st Crusade 1095
2nd Crusade 1144
3rd Crusade 1187
4th Crusade 1201
5th Crusade 1217
6th Crusade 1270
7th Crusade 1480
8th Crusade 1529
9th Crusade 1571
These dates are appoximations, the 7th, 8th and 9th were not crusades that travelled to the Middle East, but were defensive battles in Italy, Vienna, and a naval battle at Lepanto (Catholics only due to Protestant Reformation) respectively.
The Muslim world must have accidently spread to North Africa, the Middle East, Asia Minor and most of Spain, in about 400 years without using the sword? so that by the 11th cenntury the forces of Islam had "moved in" to two-thirds of the Christian world. Palestine, the home of Jesus Christ; Egypt, the birthplace of Christian monasticism; Asia Minor, where St. Paul planted the seeds of the first Christian communities?
When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.
With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed’s death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.
The colossus of the medieval world was Islam, not Christendom. The Crusades are interesting largely because they were an attempt to counter that trend. But in five centuries of crusading, it was only the First Crusade that significantly rolled back the military progress of Islam. It was downhill from there.
The Muslim threat was neutralized economically. As Europe grew in wealth and power, the once awesome and sophisticated Turks began to seem backward and pathetic—no longer worth a Crusade. The "Sick Man of Europe" limped along until the 20th century, when he finally expired, leaving behind the present mess of the modern Middle East.
1st Crusade 1095
2nd Crusade 1144
3rd Crusade 1187
4th Crusade 1201
5th Crusade 1217
6th Crusade 1270
7th Crusade 1480
8th Crusade 1529
9th Crusade 1571
These dates are appoximations, the 7th, 8th and 9th were not crusades that travelled to the Middle East, but were defensive battles in Italy, Vienna, and a naval battle at Lepanto (Catholics only due to Protestant Reformation) respectively.
The Muslim world must have accidently spread to North Africa, the Middle East, Asia Minor and most of Spain, in about 400 years without using the sword? so that by the 11th cenntury the forces of Islam had "moved in" to two-thirds of the Christian world. Palestine, the home of Jesus Christ; Egypt, the birthplace of Christian monasticism; Asia Minor, where St. Paul planted the seeds of the first Christian communities?
When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.
With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed’s death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.
The colossus of the medieval world was Islam, not Christendom. The Crusades are interesting largely because they were an attempt to counter that trend. But in five centuries of crusading, it was only the First Crusade that significantly rolled back the military progress of Islam. It was downhill from there.
The Muslim threat was neutralized economically. As Europe grew in wealth and power, the once awesome and sophisticated Turks began to seem backward and pathetic—no longer worth a Crusade. The "Sick Man of Europe" limped along until the 20th century, when he finally expired, leaving behind the present mess of the modern Middle East.
Is this a quote, or did you type it in a minute? There seems to be a bit of arguable 'opinionated' points in there....
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Originally Posted by svxr8dr
What's biased? I merely pointed out the fact that his statment about a peaceful transistion to Islam in Asia is untrue.
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Originally Posted by svxr8dr
I took it from my posts on another Subaru forum where I have had this discussion prior.
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Originally Posted by svxr8dr
I'm not trying to **** on anyones views, but let's at least remain historically accurate, considering the site that this person is promoting is supposed to be informative.
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Originally Posted by dub2w
Im jumping into this discussion mid-stream, but there is one thing I wanted to interject:
The Muslim world needs to do more to curb their radical elements. Until they do, there will be whole lot of pissed off people who hate Muslims. Im not commenting on the fairness of this reaction, but it is the truth.
The Muslim world needs to do more to curb their radical elements. Until they do, there will be whole lot of pissed off people who hate Muslims. Im not commenting on the fairness of this reaction, but it is the truth.
Thank you!!!
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Thanks for posting some history... people forget that the the crusades were a response to the Muslim conquests.
Originally Posted by svxr8dr
The majority of the Crusades were defensive wars for your information.
1st Crusade 1095
2nd Crusade 1144
3rd Crusade 1187
4th Crusade 1201
5th Crusade 1217
6th Crusade 1270
7th Crusade 1480
8th Crusade 1529
9th Crusade 1571
These dates are appoximations, the 7th, 8th and 9th were not crusades that travelled to the Middle East, but were defensive battles in Italy, Vienna, and a naval battle at Lepanto (Catholics only due to Protestant Reformation) respectively.
The Muslim world must have accidently spread to North Africa, the Middle East, Asia Minor and most of Spain, in about 400 years without using the sword? so that by the 11th cenntury the forces of Islam had "moved in" to two-thirds of the Christian world. Palestine, the home of Jesus Christ; Egypt, the birthplace of Christian monasticism; Asia Minor, where St. Paul planted the seeds of the first Christian communities?
When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.
With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed’s death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.
The colossus of the medieval world was Islam, not Christendom. The Crusades are interesting largely because they were an attempt to counter that trend. But in five centuries of crusading, it was only the First Crusade that significantly rolled back the military progress of Islam. It was downhill from there.
The Muslim threat was neutralized economically. As Europe grew in wealth and power, the once awesome and sophisticated Turks began to seem backward and pathetic—no longer worth a Crusade. The "Sick Man of Europe" limped along until the 20th century, when he finally expired, leaving behind the present mess of the modern Middle East.
1st Crusade 1095
2nd Crusade 1144
3rd Crusade 1187
4th Crusade 1201
5th Crusade 1217
6th Crusade 1270
7th Crusade 1480
8th Crusade 1529
9th Crusade 1571
These dates are appoximations, the 7th, 8th and 9th were not crusades that travelled to the Middle East, but were defensive battles in Italy, Vienna, and a naval battle at Lepanto (Catholics only due to Protestant Reformation) respectively.
The Muslim world must have accidently spread to North Africa, the Middle East, Asia Minor and most of Spain, in about 400 years without using the sword? so that by the 11th cenntury the forces of Islam had "moved in" to two-thirds of the Christian world. Palestine, the home of Jesus Christ; Egypt, the birthplace of Christian monasticism; Asia Minor, where St. Paul planted the seeds of the first Christian communities?
When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.
With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed’s death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.
The colossus of the medieval world was Islam, not Christendom. The Crusades are interesting largely because they were an attempt to counter that trend. But in five centuries of crusading, it was only the First Crusade that significantly rolled back the military progress of Islam. It was downhill from there.
The Muslim threat was neutralized economically. As Europe grew in wealth and power, the once awesome and sophisticated Turks began to seem backward and pathetic—no longer worth a Crusade. The "Sick Man of Europe" limped along until the 20th century, when he finally expired, leaving behind the present mess of the modern Middle East.