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Why is it a biz's job to make sure you get paid X wage? Why is it any goverments right to demand a company pay people XX wage above the median norm? Its not, and its bull**** like minium wage laws that have sent our jobs overseas and why we have 10% unemployment.
If a company can't afford to have a factory here, they move where its cheeper.
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If you don't have the skill, or brains to negociate a good term for yourself, then don't live in CA, simple as that.
Why is it a biz's job to make sure you get paid X wage? Why is it any goverments right to demand a company pay people XX wage above the median norm? Its not, and its bull**** like minium wage laws that have sent our jobs overseas and why we have 10% unemployment.
If a company can't afford to have a factory here, they move where its cheeper.
Why is it a biz's job to make sure you get paid X wage? Why is it any goverments right to demand a company pay people XX wage above the median norm? Its not, and its bull**** like minium wage laws that have sent our jobs overseas and why we have 10% unemployment.
If a company can't afford to have a factory here, they move where its cheeper.
A country can not survive if every one is a consumer.
So terrible that many other bay area citizens are now losing their jobs. I remember how fast the plant got built up and now its going down so quick......
But yea its true...... "Being Green" and "Green" companies are all bull****. But a job is a job..
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Overbear... I'm guessing you enjoy Health Insurance, Workers Comp Coverage, Regular working hours with some form of overtime pay. I'm betting you really like having a well lit workplace that provides heat in the winter and AC in the summer.
Go ahead and thank the Unions for all of those benefits.
You wanna know what it would be like in this country without Unions to protect worker's and create standards for employment; take a look at the folks picking Strawberry's in Watsonville right now.
BTW where is it written that being a Socialist (which I don't consider myself) is un-American? Capitalism is not in the Constitution.
Go ahead and thank the Unions for all of those benefits.
You wanna know what it would be like in this country without Unions to protect worker's and create standards for employment; take a look at the folks picking Strawberry's in Watsonville right now.
BTW where is it written that being a Socialist (which I don't consider myself) is un-American? Capitalism is not in the Constitution.
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Here is a great short article about what went wrong.
What went wrong at Solyndra - Term Sheet
What went wrong at Solyndra - Term Sheet
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Not sure how much you've read on past and current migrant worker protection and rights?
There are quite a few people fighting for and gaining different rights currently. There is actually a program where you can go work as a field worker if you want... something like the take my job initiative. The current thought process is that no one else would take those jobs and they are terrible jobs to have... I don't agree AT ALL. And I'm not gonna go running off in to my personal views of what's going on in that industry.
So back on topic...
They have onsite restrooms (Cleaned Daily) delivered on site daily. They also have sinks with hand lotion and cleaner supplied. They are allowed to bring chairs for REQUIRED breaks and most places have some form of shade set up these days and/or people have their cars there.
Mind you many of them choose NOT to use these restrooms and instead snag the TP out of them and take ****s in the river beds.
My wife's mom and nana both picked the fields.
But I agree with you. Unions 100% have a place in this country. Are they in places they do not belong and involved in things they should not be involved in... ABSOLUTELY. Anything driven by money and power is going to be corrupt and designed to benefit those on top first.
Side note.... the union cost me about $60,000 in wages.
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Agreed.
We are in a position in this country where it is not o.k. to be proud to be an american. We are not proud to be from this country and we are not proud of the work we do in this country.
Toss in the fact that stock value and upper level greed with a leaning toward pay me now screw what happens in 5 years and we're screwed. We allow countries to sell their crap here with no agreements on them selling our goods and without enough taxes. You want to buy something made in america anywhere else in the world and it costs MORE than the local product. That's how it should be. It promotes a buy local attitude.
Untaxed outsourcing, tax cuts, government funding...etc etc etc.
Why would a company want to keep the work force domestic when they can do it outside the country for less? Why would they stay in California when they can do it in Idaho for half?
Excuse the scatter brained. I had to stop mid thought and go to a meeting. LOL!
We've gotten to the point where something drastic has to happen and no one is willing to do it because the issues are not hurting the ones that make the decisions. The rich are still getting richer.
I think it's just crazy. We have excellent production quality and value in this country if people would just look at the long term benefits over the bottom dollar now...
Example.
My old room mate works at a machine shop. One of the best. They do tons of medical equipment and what not. Someone comes to them for a quote and they say... yeah that'll be $17,000 a unit. They say... well I can get it for $10,000 in denmark. Machine shop says... we can't do it for that. We can do it for $15,500 and at that we're barely covering cost. O.K. We'll go to Denmark.
Said parts get produce in Denmark using lower tolerances and lower quality standards over all. That $10,000 part comes to $13,000 after shipping and handling. Still seems like a savings, right?
Sure... until 1/3 of the parts are damaged in shipping and 1/3rd don't pass the quality standards needed by the medical company having the cat scans built and 1/3rd break.
So now all of those have to be repaired and/or rebuilt. So they have to go back to my old room mates machine shop and have the repairs/replacements done.
His machine shop looses out on the larger part of the business but still makes some money. The greedy bastards that outsourced just paid $22,000 for a $17,000 part.
But he they saved money up front right.
That happens in every industry all over the country.
Then you look at the lack of any kind of patent law in many of these new production companies including China and India and those companies save money until the home company reproduces the exact same piece of equipment under a different company name and imports it and sells it for half because the country that originally built the part had to pay for patents, and pay taxes where the chinese one does not. And if someone is paying $79 for a DVD player from china that's exactly the same as the one from the US for $189 then they figure... oh well if it breaks. By the time it breaks I'll be ready for new technology anyways.
Circle circle circle circle.
We are in a position in this country where it is not o.k. to be proud to be an american. We are not proud to be from this country and we are not proud of the work we do in this country.
Toss in the fact that stock value and upper level greed with a leaning toward pay me now screw what happens in 5 years and we're screwed. We allow countries to sell their crap here with no agreements on them selling our goods and without enough taxes. You want to buy something made in america anywhere else in the world and it costs MORE than the local product. That's how it should be. It promotes a buy local attitude.
Untaxed outsourcing, tax cuts, government funding...etc etc etc.
Why would a company want to keep the work force domestic when they can do it outside the country for less? Why would they stay in California when they can do it in Idaho for half?
Excuse the scatter brained. I had to stop mid thought and go to a meeting. LOL!
We've gotten to the point where something drastic has to happen and no one is willing to do it because the issues are not hurting the ones that make the decisions. The rich are still getting richer.
I think it's just crazy. We have excellent production quality and value in this country if people would just look at the long term benefits over the bottom dollar now...
Example.
My old room mate works at a machine shop. One of the best. They do tons of medical equipment and what not. Someone comes to them for a quote and they say... yeah that'll be $17,000 a unit. They say... well I can get it for $10,000 in denmark. Machine shop says... we can't do it for that. We can do it for $15,500 and at that we're barely covering cost. O.K. We'll go to Denmark.
Said parts get produce in Denmark using lower tolerances and lower quality standards over all. That $10,000 part comes to $13,000 after shipping and handling. Still seems like a savings, right?
Sure... until 1/3 of the parts are damaged in shipping and 1/3rd don't pass the quality standards needed by the medical company having the cat scans built and 1/3rd break.
So now all of those have to be repaired and/or rebuilt. So they have to go back to my old room mates machine shop and have the repairs/replacements done.
His machine shop looses out on the larger part of the business but still makes some money. The greedy bastards that outsourced just paid $22,000 for a $17,000 part.
But he they saved money up front right.
That happens in every industry all over the country.
Then you look at the lack of any kind of patent law in many of these new production companies including China and India and those companies save money until the home company reproduces the exact same piece of equipment under a different company name and imports it and sells it for half because the country that originally built the part had to pay for patents, and pay taxes where the chinese one does not. And if someone is paying $79 for a DVD player from china that's exactly the same as the one from the US for $189 then they figure... oh well if it breaks. By the time it breaks I'll be ready for new technology anyways.
Circle circle circle circle.
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I agree that some extraordinary companies such as Google and myface do a lot to keep their talent but that is NOT the case with most jobs.
from 2007 to around 2009 the company lost close to $450 million.
so why would anyone throw another $500 mill into it?
oh right. the billionaire CEO donated tons of $$$ during the 2008 election to... Obammy.
green jobs... gotta love 'em.
so why would anyone throw another $500 mill into it?
oh right. the billionaire CEO donated tons of $$$ during the 2008 election to... Obammy.
green jobs... gotta love 'em.
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The playing field isn't level...
When China manipulates the value of their currency AND excuses all Environmental regulations... of course they can produce cheaper.
Unions don't have that much to do with it. Union membership is at an all-time low, and so is American Manufacturing. Think about this: Do you want to be treated like the average Chinese worker? ... Than we need Unions
When China manipulates the value of their currency AND excuses all Environmental regulations... of course they can produce cheaper.
Unions don't have that much to do with it. Union membership is at an all-time low, and so is American Manufacturing. Think about this: Do you want to be treated like the average Chinese worker? ... Than we need Unions
The company buys all of the buildings around their factory and turns them in to basically dorms for the workers to live in. The workers work 7 days a week and usually 10-12 hours a day.
The working conditions are so bad there that suicide is a real problem. They had to install nets on the buildings on every few floors to catch people who try to jump from the buildings. One actually tried what my friend who works their calls "the leap of faith" a couple of days ago but was caught by the net.
There is no way that American companies can compete with this sort of labor, its sad for solyndra but its going to be happening more and more often.
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If you say foxcon is tied to apple products, I think the sad part is that Apple takes advantage of those workers. The sad part is that American companies know damn well what happens at those work factories/dormitories. The sad part is that companies choose profit over humanity. The sad part is most Americans could give a $hit about those people as long as they can have an IPad for 350$. This message is being posted from an iPhone. Does that make me part of the problem...yes it does. If I had a choice to pay 1,000$ for an iPhone made in America? Yes I would, most Americans would not or could not. If they saw how those people lived tho maybe they would understand.