ucbsti's hill analogy is perfect. there is no engine involved. each turn going downhill will have a maximum threshold (g's, speed) depending on the car and its setup. the only determining factor whether you make it through every corner is up to the driver's skill at navigating through those corners. one driver may go faster these corners, but thats not because the car is more powerful and faster, its because the driver is better at entering and exiting those corners.

 

Yeah, seriously. Ucbsti, Yin, and I have posted pretty conclusively about this. We're in violent agreement and you aren't listening.

You say that on an autox course power made your car "hande bad," but in reality, it was your application of power at an inapproporiate time and in an inappropriate amount that made your car either understeer/oversteer excessively. More power means your car will make shorter work of accelerating from point A to point B. You are just proving that the driver has *everything* to do with how a car handles. You could brake really hard and cause weight transfer off the rear wheels and cause your car to spin, or you could mash the gas at turn in and understeer way off your line. Upgrading the suspension doesn't modify physics... so regardless of what suspension a car has, the driver still has to have a fundamental understanding of the traction circle and handling dynamics...

Muscle cars with huge engines and boatloads of power handle badly because they have bias-ply tires, lack modern suspension technology (dampers and geometry), weigh two tons or more, and have crappy drum brakes to boot. Put that same engine in a modern tube frame race car and it could handle extremely well... chassis engineering my friend.

 

Yes, but if you had those JIC coilovers, Nismo LSD, etc. but the stock engine, you would still be able to hold the same tight lines at the same speeds. The max. G's your chassis's suspension and tires can generate remain the same regardless of whether you have 100hp or 220hp.

 

i knew this thread wouldn't be an on-topic one. LOL

shame on me for clicking on it...lemme outa herrrrr!