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Old Oct 29, 2008 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by VRT MBasile
oh, and how about a Yes/No poll added on to these prop debates?
IM ON IT!!!


see i do my job!!!
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Shagon Wagon
Teens make mistakes though ! Come on we all made mistakes as kids.... TOUGH lesson to learn... and have your young future ruined. Also... its only the young GIRLS life ruined... remember the guy can take off and pay some money, CAUSE IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, lets take it a step farther.. lets force them to marry... that'll teach them to have sex before they are ready ! that way they both learn their lesson huh?
You guys are looking at this Prop as if it's effect is a really in the short term.

I believe it's good in both the long and short term. In the short term, it would stop teens from murdering their children, especially without their parents even knowing about it. Because 13 year olds really have the maturity to make this decision on their own...

I vote Yes on 4 also because I know that giving teens an easy out to a big problem is not going to help society at all. We need to be teaching our youth that they will be held accountable for their actions. A nation with out accountability is definitely going to be one in need of Obama's socialist help though
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 03:15 PM
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abortions arent easy btw
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by VRT MBasile
I wish we all could have made 100% correct choices in our life like MedicSTI did. How can we control peoples' lives to make sure they make the same 100% correct choices he did?
Wow. Just because I have strong convictions with defined morals and have higher hopes for society than a lack of accountability, responsibility, and duty that means that I have lived a perfect life?

I've been held accountable for every action I have taken in life. And because of that, it has influenced me to not get myself into situations that I can't handle taking responsibility for.

Do you think a child's future would be better off if parents did not have the right to know how there kids doing in school?

Do you think a child's future would be better off if they were arrested or caught doing something illegal and had the right to keep their parents from finding out?

By allowing kids to lie to their parents, they are escaping any accountability for their actions.

And for the "what about those raped teens that get pregnant" crowd. Those cases get my compassion, and off course I would never judge any one for getting an abortion, especially in this case. But how many people do you know that get abortions for this reason vs "I got pregnant willingly having sex."

I've only met one person who had been raped and it so happens she got pregnant... at the age of 13. She had an abortion.

On the contrary, I know tens of girls/women that have had abortions because they were having recreational sex.
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by sigma pi
abortions arent easy btw
Especially partial birth abortions.
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by VRT MBasile
No, your morals are your morals (you as in the general you). People without your morals you deem "immoral."
No murderers are immoral. People wanting to give children rights to become murderers are immoral.
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by medicSTi
You guys are looking at this Prop as if it's effect is a really in the short term.

I believe it's good in both the long and short term. In the short term, it would stop teens from murdering their children, especially without their parents even knowing about it. Because 13 year olds really have the maturity to make this decision on their own...

I vote Yes on 4 also because I know that giving teens an easy out to a big problem is not going to help society at all. We need to be teaching our youth that they will be held accountable for their actions. A nation with out accountability is definitely going to be one in need of Obama's socialist help though
tell you what, if you can identify which of the following is a human embryo ill vote for prop 8. the photo shows the embryos of different animals all at the end of the first trimester.
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Shagon Wagon
EXACTLY... these are YOUR morals Medic.. your church raised morals
Okay, please explain to me specifically "How an abortion is moral"

and then "How it is moral for a child to have one."

and I know it will come up, so why not define when you believe a life is present with some proof.
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 03:26 PM
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honestly, i would rather have an underage **** getting a ton of abortions than an underage **** with 5 kids.

allot more of my taxes get spent on wellfare than on birth control. does the world really need more kevin federlines or Mbasiles?
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by medicSTi
Okay, please explain to me specifically "How an abortion is moral"

and then "How it is moral for a child to have one."

and I know it will come up, so why not define when you believe a life is present with some proof.
is cutting out cancer immoral? or killing a liver fluke? they are both "living" things that are part of the body.
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by irrational x
tell you what, if you can identify which of the following is a human embryo ill vote for prop 8. the photo shows the embryos of different animals all at the end of the first trimester.
Here you go. Life begins at conception... according to science without even looking at life from a religious point of view.

From a Genetic View
Life begins at conception when the sperm and ovum are united.
During fertilization, the genes originating from two sources combine to form a single individual with a different and unique set of genes. This process takes up to 48 hours.

From a Embyrological View
Life begins at gastrulation (14 Days) The point at which a developing embryo forms distinct layers that grow into different organs.

From a Neurological View
Life begins when the brain produces measurable waves between 6-24 weeks.

From an Ecological View
Life begins when the fetus can survive outside the uterus between 25-27 weeks.

From a Birth View
Life begins at birth between 7-9 months.

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Old Oct 29, 2008 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by irrational x
is cutting out cancer immoral? or killing a liver fluke? they are both "living" things that are part of the body.
Does a tumor become a person with a heart, brain or soul? Come on now
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by irrational x
honestly, i would rather have an underage **** getting a ton of abortions than an underage **** with 5 kids.

allot more of my taxes get spent on wellfare than on birth control. does the world really need more kevin federlines or Mbasiles?
Which citizen do you think is going to cost more? One with a strong work ethic and sense of accountability and responsibility to take care of themselves or one that never learned those values and takes blame for nothing? Therefore instilling a huge character flaw and poor ethics in our youth and then paying tons more welfare?
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Originally Posted by medicSTi
Does a tumor become a person with a heart, brain or soul? Come on now
no but they grow hair and teeth. retards are just bags of meat with hair and teeth....
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by medicSTi
Which citizen do you think is going to cost more? One with a strong work ethic and sense of accountability and responsibility to take care of themselves or one that never learned those values and takes blame for nothing? Therefore instilling a huge character flaw and poor ethics in our youth and then paying tons more welfare?
um, prison for 1 peson costs allot less than prison for 5 no matter how you cut it.



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