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Old Jan 13, 2009 | 09:49 AM
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I wonder how many "protesters" would show up if Oscar Grant had been a white man?
Come on. It would be the same. I cant believe you'd even go there.
Old Jan 13, 2009 | 09:50 AM
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Guys, come on. Even if Oscar was white - that wouldn't mean there would be ZERO protesters. However, it is accurate to say that there would be 'substantially less' - yes it is a race issue; but even white people have friends, families and people they know that would protest their wrongful death.
Agree.....Agree....Agree!!!
Old Jan 13, 2009 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by karis119
Been waiting for someone to say this, but I was thinking the same thing.

So you think if a young white male was killed in the same fashion. People like myself wouldn't protest/voice their anger over the killing?

I am completely shocked at the level of disrespect you all got. Thats just complete trash........

A human is just that, human. And wrongful deaths such as this are wrong no matter WHAT COLOR/RACE you are.

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Originally Posted by KOSTI
Come on. It would be the same. I cant believe you'd even go there.
Thats what i said...why even bring in the "What if he was white?" How often do you hear this happening to a white person? Man i dont even want to start.....lets just get justice for this young father who was taken out by a true PIG...true PIG...
Old Jan 13, 2009 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by KOSTI
So you think if a young white male was killed in the same fashion. People like myself wouldn't protest/voice their anger over the killing?

I am completely shocked at the level of disrespect you all got. Thats just complete trash........

A human is just that, human. And wrongful deaths such as this are wrong no matter WHAT COLOR/RACE you are.

**** sakes

Seriously, I would be extremely surprised if Oscar Grant were white and the Oakland community rioted in the streets for "justice".
Old Jan 13, 2009 | 10:04 AM
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I rarely like to quote Bill O'Reilly, but he has some very valid points right now.

Originally Posted by Bill O'Reilly
There is no question that Officer Johannes Mehserle, who has quit the force, must be held accountable for his fatal action. The DA is investigating, and that is the way our system works. We do expect criminal charges to be filed, unless there's something unexpected that we don't know.

But these street riots accomplish nothing except anarchy. They punish the innocent.

There is also another side to this story. While outrage is surely justified in the death of Mr. Grant, there has been little outrage in Oakland over the astronomical violent crime rate there.

According to the national crime rankings, Oakland's murder rate is more than five times the national average. Its robbery rate six times the norm, and rape is 2.5 times higher than the average in Oakland.

The city has a drug-gang problem and downtown blight. Yet citizens have not taken to the streets over that, nor did they protest any of the 124 murders in Oakland last year.

Again, everybody knows American law enforcement officers cannot be shooting suspects who are helpless on the ground. No civilized society can tolerate that. But cities like Oakland should not be tolerating high crime rates either. The folks should be helping the cops combat that.

Selective outrage is in play here. High crime breeds police abuse. Riots are criminal acts. The good people of Oakland should do something about all this.
the cop that shot him has quit and is being looked into by the DA for what charges to file.

I do not understand why people are flooding the streets if there is action being taken.
Old Jan 13, 2009 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
I do not understand why people are flooding the streets if there is action being taken.
Since when have people been patient and understanding when in a mob mentality?
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Since when have people been patient and understanding when in a mob mentality?
very true.

I'm just trying to understand why there is a mob in the first place. Its not like the ex-officer is going to get away with anything over this.
Old Jan 13, 2009 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
very true.

I'm just trying to understand why there is a mob in the first place. Its not like the ex-officer is going to get away with anything over this.
It's like O'Reily was saying - high crime rates breed police abuse and they're selectively rioting.
Old Jan 13, 2009 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
Its not like the ex-officer is going to get away with anything over this.
Yes. This time.

You have to see that a lot of these people are so jaded from previous police abuses that they are fed up to the point of rioting.

I'm not condoning it; it's just an observation.
Old Jan 13, 2009 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by R-Dub
Yes. This time.

You have to see that a lot of these people are so jaded from previous police abuses that they are fed up to the point of rioting.

I'm not condoning it; it's just an observation.
I'm confused, are there more cop shootings then normal in Oakland then elsewhere?

as it is, Oakland has 5x the national averaged for murders, do the cops just go around gunning people down as well?
Old Jan 13, 2009 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by R-Dub
Yes. This time.

You have to see that a lot of these people are so jaded from previous police abuses that they are fed up to the point of rioting.

I'm not condoning it; it's just an observation.
I want to know what the "previous police abuses" are. You have a bunch of people who live in poverty, many of whom commit crimes, and we're taking their word for it.
Old Jan 13, 2009 | 10:31 AM
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[QUOTE=nachomc;2485626]Seriously, I would be extremely surprised if Oscar Grant were white and the Oakland community rioted in the streets for "justice".[/QUOTE

So your saying that he would have to be white for you to start supporting him? Do you understand where these people are coming from? Do you understand their mentality? Whats been put in the head after years of Lynching, rapes, beheadings, burning people alive. Stuff like this triggers everything. Seems like only a person who is not white understands this...but there are alot of good white people who do understand....
Old Jan 13, 2009 | 10:33 AM
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Its obvious that the cop has some personal issues that carried with him...thats why it ended this way!



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