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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 10:37 AM
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Keep up the good work!
After the botched war (and false allegations of WMDs), ill response following Katrina, and our slumping economy, I think a Howard Zinn / Noam Chomsky ticket could sweep in 2008.
Old Sep 13, 2005 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by dub2w
After the botched war (and false allegations of WMDs), ill response following Katrina, and our slumping economy, I think a Howard Zinn / Noam Chomsky ticket could sweep in 2008.

ROFL! and he could appoint Michael Moore as presidential press secratary!

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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 11:33 AM
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hella you really need to get out from under the desk in the oval office

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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 11:56 AM
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hella you really need to get out from under the desk in the oval office
As soon as the Bush twins leave I will (just the three of us)
Old Sep 13, 2005 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by spedmunki
hella you really need to get out from under the desk in the oval office

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haha... awesome
Old Sep 13, 2005 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
There's a big difference between complaining about liberal policies and lax enforcement of immigration laws, and turning in violators (when cops themselves won't even do it).

Im sorry i just see contradiction and ***** made actions.

So you keep contradiciting your ****ing bull**** *** stances and continue to prove that no matter what idiocy you spew from your mouth you will never be man enough to back up a single ****ing word of it.

Guess this world needs its *****es as well as its idiots.
Old Sep 14, 2005 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
Im sorry i just see contradiction and ***** made actions.
So you keep contradiciting your ****ing bull**** *** stances and continue to prove that no matter what idiocy you spew from your mouth you will never be man enough to back up a single ****ing word of it.
edit, in the name of compassionate conservatism

I made it obvious that you don't know what you are talking about, so go back and bury your head in the sand.

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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Go suck a d***. I would gladly turn in a**holes like you, but why would I turn in nice poeple who are victims of the corrupt system that enforces and wants them to be here. Like I also said, even the cops don't care (and aren't allowed to call INS on them).

It's stupid politicians and f***faces like you that elect them that are the problem.

I made it obvious that you don't know what the f you are talking about, so go back and bury your head in the sand.
Wow! I think Dre hit a nerve.
Old Sep 14, 2005 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Go suck a d***. I would gladly turn in a**holes like you, but why would I turn in nice poeple who are victims of the corrupt system that enforces and wants them to be here. Like I also said, even the cops don't care (and aren't allowed to call INS on them).

It's stupid politicians and f***faces like you that elect them that are the problem.

I made it obvious that you don't know what the f you are talking about, so go back and bury your head in the sand.

That sounds like troll talk to me......
Old Sep 14, 2005 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by spedmunki
That sounds like troll talk to me......
eh? no double-standard here I guess?

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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/08/news...na_wages.reut/

nice.. haha

kick em when they are down, i guess trent lott wanted lower wages so it wouldnt cost him as much to build his new porch..
My questions before everyone jumps to judgement are:

What is the prevailing wage?

How much is labor in post Katrina LA worth and who decides what its worth, the market or the government?

Who's footing the construction bill? Insurance companies, taxpayers? Have we heard any solid projections on cost?

Can it be proven that they can or cannot get get the job done while paying or not paying the "prevailing wage"?

Who will be being paid the wage? Predominantly local or migrant workers?

We all seem to think it will be migrant workers right? How does the proposed wage they will be paid stack up against their average wage elsewhere? Does this even affect them seeing as we pay them less than the prevailing wage anyways?
Who is it going to affect and how?

These questions don't have easy answers. Was Bush's desiscion a good or a bad one? Its waaaaay too early to tell. I do understand as a liberal that the idea of paying a laborer less is generaly distasteful. In this case I believe that its best to let the market in question determine what labor is worth. Suspending a law that forces employers to pay a higher wage that may or may not be higher than what the market determines is the only way to do so. Thats not to say that employers will pay what they want to pay, if they don't pay enough then they won't get enough labor to make it work. They will be forced to pay higher, however if it turns out that the prevailing wage was artificially high due to the pre Katrina economy, and the influx of cheap migrant labor drives the going rate for labor down than an artificially high pre Katrina labor wage would be a hinderance to reconstruction progress.

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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 12:33 PM
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Deyes' post is a FINE dose of what The Politics section needed. Some sence and reason in his post. It's obvious he sat down and put some deep thought into it. Thank you Deye's for not being the usual poster(including myself) and jumping the gun in post statements. You have gained much respect from me in my book. Just thought I'd show my appreciation.
Old Sep 14, 2005 | 01:07 PM
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Thank you much, I took a hiatus because of beefs in this section. As far as politics are concerned you really have to think critically and strive to look at the issue objectively. Not just about what your "opposition" is arguing but what your party is arguing. Common perceptions are just that, common. That does not mean they are sound.
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