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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
...but people in this forum HAVE suggested doing this...
But performance is the key though. Those that suggest this do so out of frustration of not being able to identify a potential guerrilla that most likely isn’t a threat to begin with. They'll never resort to doing this unless every Muslim was bad - which they aren't in the slightest.

The proof is reflected in current times. If anything, those truly intolerant people who are incapable of separating the peaceful and non-peaceful Muslims would have already declared war on Islam in its entirety. There's already so much fuel being built-up over these terrorist and insurgent attacks in the name of Islam, yet nobody has struck a match gone looking for a lighter on our side. Makes you think about how tolerant and peaceful we truly are. There hasn't even been any hateful incidents toward Islam worth mentioning, if any (at least none I can think of at the moment) on American soil.

It's how America works. Even if some Americans hate our immigration problems, most all of them can still live peaceful and meaningful lives in a diverse society. It's the beauty of living in an intelligent, modern, and free society that's not under, or influenced by religion. We'd much rather goto the local bookstore and witness three men reading books side by side on a crowded sofa: One with the Qu'ran, one with the Bible and one with a book on Atheism. It truly is a beautiful thing if you think about it... This is something that doesn’t seem to register in some Muslim extremists.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 12:16 PM
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OH! "Salty" is back. As far as i remember you said you will not be back to this thread again I quote you "I'm done with this thread. Goodluck to you, flysky" Stick to you word my friend. See u proofed yourself wrong like in all your arguements.

No offense please (SALTY)

Hahaha. Whatever, my man. Suit yourself... and it's "proved" not "proofed." Good luck to you, sir!
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
Hahaha. Whatever, my man. Suit yourself... and it's "proved" not "proofed." Good luck to you, sir!
good for u
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
I started to feel the same way right about ... here:
https://www.i-club.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=30
When you started making less and less sense. Do you really think American troops intentionally target civilians? If I have time I'll try to find you #'s for a civilians killed by americans / civilians killed by *cough* muslim insurgents *cough* ratio.

go ahead I too want to see that.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
Hahaha. Whatever, my man. Suit yourself... and it's "proved" not "proofed." Good luck to you, sir!
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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
I started to feel the same way right about ... here:
https://www.i-club.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=30
When you started making less and less sense. Do you really think American troops intentionally target civilians? If I have time I'll try to find you #'s for a civilians killed by americans / civilians killed by *cough* muslim insurgents *cough* ratio.

I got the facts for you Vibeeleven: Remember I didn't made this up and read 2nd paragraph for sure.....

Iraq Body Count

The people at the Iraq Body Count project and the Oxford Research Group have released what appears to be a quite careful and judicious report counting and analyzing Iraqi civilian casualties since the beginning of the war. They count 24,865 civilians (just civilians, not soldiers or recruits or insurgents) killed in Iraq in the two years stretching from March 20, 2003 to March 19, 2005, and they estimate that there have been more than three injuries for every death. Nearly half of the reported deaths were in Baghdad (likely that proportion is so high in part because Baghdad is the best-reported of Iraq’s conflict-ridden areas, and because of the good quality of mortuary data there); about one in every 500 Baghdad civilians has been killed violently since March 2003. Baghdad didn’t have the highest number of civilian deaths per capita, though; that honor, among the larger cities, went to Fallujah, where the number rose to 1 in 136.

About 37% of those folks were killed by U.S. forces. Just under 11% were killed by insurgent forces, and about 5% were caught in cross-fire in which both groups participated. That leaves 36% killed in the continuing wave of violent crime that followed the war, enabled by the absence of police and the easy availability of weapons (this is an “excess” figure, subtracting out the average number of pre-war killings over a two-year period), and 11% who could not be classified.

I WILL BE WAITING FOR YOUR REPLY
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by flysky
I got the facts for you Vibeeleven: Remember I didn't made this up and read 2nd paragraph for sure.....

Iraq Body Count

The people at the Iraq Body Count project and the Oxford Research Group have released what appears to be a quite careful and judicious report counting and analyzing Iraqi civilian casualties since the beginning of the war. They count 24,865 civilians (just civilians, not soldiers or recruits or insurgents) killed in Iraq in the two years stretching from March 20, 2003 to March 19, 2005, and they estimate that there have been more than three injuries for every death. Nearly half of the reported deaths were in Baghdad (likely that proportion is so high in part because Baghdad is the best-reported of Iraq’s conflict-ridden areas, and because of the good quality of mortuary data there); about one in every 500 Baghdad civilians has been killed violently since March 2003. Baghdad didn’t have the highest number of civilian deaths per capita, though; that honor, among the larger cities, went to Fallujah, where the number rose to 1 in 136.

About 37% of those folks were killed by U.S. forces. Just under 11% were killed by insurgent forces, and about 5% were caught in cross-fire in which both groups participated. That leaves 36% killed in the continuing wave of violent crime that followed the war, enabled by the absence of police and the easy availability of weapons (this is an “excess” figure, subtracting out the average number of pre-war killings over a two-year period), and 11% who could not be classified.

I WILL BE WAITING FOR YOUR REPLY

Almost convincing but not quite. Explain to me the difference in apperance of an insurgent and a civilian? And btw......after you misposted that there have been 3500 KIA American soldiers (which is an easily obtained statistic) it's easy to dismiss your "factual" report.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by flysky
Iraq Body Count...
At least post your link ...
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_in...raq_casualties
A western group, the Iraq Body Count project, compiles reported Iraqi civilian deaths that were caused directly by coalition military action, as well as deaths caused directly by the Iraqi_insurgency (the Iraqi Body Count project claims that the Occupying Authority is responsible to prevent these deaths under international law.) It shows a minimum estimate of 23,317 and a high of 26,396 as of August 7, 2005. This estimate only includes incidents that were reported by at least two sources in the press. The website doesn't specify which deaths were by caused by coalition military action and which deaths were caused by the insurgency.
2004. Again, note that this could reflect either more or less than 41,000 civilians killed, as there are likely cases where one soldier felt responsible for the deaths of multiple Iraqis, where several soldiers each felt responsible for the death of the same Iraqi, and where soldiers were incorrect in their belief that an Iraqi had died.
Numbers on this subject are all over the place, in the 10 minutes I've had to check it out I've seen figures wich have a difference of over a hundred thousand, this leads me to believe it's going to be next to impossible to find a solid, accurate statistic.

Ahem...
Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
Do you really think American troops intentionally target civilians?
There is a difference here, insurgents are intentionally targeting civilians.

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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
At least post your link ...

There is a difference here, insurgents are intentionally targeting civilians.

This I can easily defend the people who did the reseach are experts and they will easily find out the American armor then the insurgents.

Any way I don't want to get into all this. My who perpuse is to educate people about Islam and not to run toward politics. We all know war is always a bad thing and we all know that it will effect both sides but I don't like is the Innocent people killed in Iraq.

Guys I urge you to visit the site and use the forum over there but no politices please.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by flysky
Any way I don't want to get into all this. My who perpuse is to educate people about Islam and not to run toward politics. We all know war is always a bad thing and we all know that it will effect both sides but I don't like is the Innocent people killed in Iraq.
Guys I urge you to visit the site and use the forum over there but no politices please.
Too late flyguy, you opened the can of worms.
I really don't think you'll have the same problem with us trolling up your forums.

Originally Posted by flysky
This I can easily defend the people who did the reseach are experts and they will easily find out the American armor then the insurgents.
WTF?
Lately I find myself spending more time trying to decipher your posts than I do actually reading everyone elses', I'm going to have to pull a "Salty" for now and aleviate myself from this thread.





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