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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 07:20 AM
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Hey VIBEELEVEN and dub2w you are speaking the truth by seeing only one side. Tell me what do i say to those innocent people who are killed in Iraq should I tell them don't harm us after we killed your family in a second. What should I say to Bosinan Muslims whose families were killed by Chrisitian Serbs not to take revenge because we didn't see the killing on tv. What should I say those Innocent Palestians who have legal paper for their properties but the world doesn't see it even though UN said Isreal is occupied there land illegally but we support Isreal. What should i say to them tell me that we will kill your family but please don't kill us because our life are more precious then yours. Tell me my friends how do i stop them if they are fighting for their . I would like to know what people would say if a Muslim country (who was very powerful) invaded lets say Australia won't Australian citizen defend it and if they can't won't they try to harm that Muslim country TELL ME.
Take one minute and reread this post. If you don't see any bias at all in it than this is a pointless debate. Try opening to discussion. And on the note of defending what's yours.........ever heard of 9/11?
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 07:37 AM
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"Whoever kills a soul, unless for a soul, or for corruption done in the land, it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one, it is as if he had saved mankind entirely" (Quran 5:32)


Here are the facts
According to a recent US State Department report, Patterns of Global Terrorism, 272 terrorist events occurred in Europe, 92 in Latin America and 45 in the Middle East. Sixty-two anti-US attacks occurred in Latin America last year, 21 in Europe and 6 in the Middle East.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by flysky
I belive in this

"Whoever kills a soul, unless for a soul, or for corruption done in the land, it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one, it is as if he had saved mankind entirely" (Quran 5:32)


Here are the facts
According to a recent US State Department report, Patterns of Global Terrorism, 272 terrorist events occurred in Europe, 92 in Latin America and 45 in the Middle East. Sixty-two anti-US attacks occurred in Latin America last year, 21 in Europe and 6 in the Middle East.
So basically you support the terrorists.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi
So basically you support the terrorists.

So you are telling me that you support "Timothy McVay". Because if you read the verse i posted i don't support them.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 08:04 AM
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So you are telling me that you support "Timothy McVay". Because if you read the verse i posted i don't support them.
First off, I haven't posted anything with even remotely enough opinion to substantiate support of Timothy McVay or anything for that matter. Before you start throwing weak jabs in defense of your opinion you should think about the hypocrisy of your own posts. The verse you posted is a prime example of how easy it is for radicals to distort the entire religion. It is a fundamental basis for nearly all the attacks that they attempt to justify (because American's are there "currupting" their land). Again the hypocrisy is ironic because apparently stealing planes full of innocent people and crashing them into civilian occupied building is not curruption. I'm ready for you to get back to a civil debate and avoid personal attacks. Try posting something worth a dispute that isn't aimed at a particular individual.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 08:16 AM
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Try posting something worth a dispute that isn't aimed at a particular individual.

Thats what i want to say you all why are you trying to attack Islam for few bunch of people. And when I attack back you are saying me that I attacking you come on my friend. Till today no one who asked me the question of "Muslim terrosit" has not answered my question about "Timothy McVay" thats what i want to say if you can't answer on behalf of him why do you expect me to answer on behalf of suicide bombers. Don't judge its book by its cover. (Don't judge Islam by its followers, you have the book open it and read it) thats my message.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 08:25 AM
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Thats what i want to say you all why are you trying to attack Islam for few bunch of people. And when I attack back you are saying me that I attacking you come on my friend. Till today no one who asked me the question of "Muslim terrosit" has not answered my question about "Timothy McVay" thats what i want to say if you can't answer on behalf of him why do you expect me to answer on behalf of suicide bombers. Don't judge its book by its cover. (Don't judge Islam by its followers, you have the book open it and read it) thats my message.
Oh I see what happened. You just assumed that I was white so automatically I agree with Timothy McVay. Whoa, that's says a lot about the potential of your website. Just should practice what you preach and not judge a book by it's cover. And for the record, no one is attacking Islam. I personally have nothing against the religion at all. But I'll tell you this, I HATE TERRORISTS!! Just so you know, if no one in Iraq shot at Americans or tried to use IEDs we'd be in the wrong place. Think about that.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 08:34 AM
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Hey Helladumb, thanks for posting the message as far as my view of the acts of 9/11, and terrorists I have same view as the guest on NPR and actually he will answer all your questions which asked I hope you will visit the site and listern to it.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4792265
So do you think the victims of 9/11 were innocent? The speaker on NPR tells you about the fatwa, but not about his personal view. He does not define what "terrorism" or "the innocent" means, and is somewhat Clinton-esque in his verbiabge. He could very well hate the west, and think than no-one in the twin towers was innocent, right?

Could you clarify what his view is?

Please help us understand what is meant by "innocent."

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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 08:37 AM
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So do you think the victims of 9/11 were innocent? The speaker on NPR tells you about the fatwa, but not about his personal view. He does not define what terrorism or the innocent means, and is somewhat Clinton-esque in his verbiabge.

Could you clarify what his view is?

Oh, and not to stick up for Timothy McVeigh or anything, but he didn't know there were children in that Federal building.

Please help us understand what is meant by "innocent."
Yeah, a firm definition would be a lot better to make any kind of a debate a little more clear.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi
Oh I see what happened. You just assumed that I was white so automatically I agree with Timothy McVay. Whoa, that's says a lot about the potential of your website. Just should practice what you preach and not judge a book by it's cover. And for the record, no one is attacking Islam. I personally have nothing against the religion at all. But I'll tell you this, I HATE TERRORISTS!! Just so you know, if no one in Iraq shot at Americans or tried to use IEDs we'd be in the wrong place. Think about that.

Its not about white, black, yellow or brown. Its what you think about American terrorist.

I quote "I personally have nothing against the religion at all." I appreciate that, i wish there are people like you.

I quote "But I'll tell you this, I HATE TERRORISTS!! Just so you know" Same here but I also hate unjust WAR.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 08:42 AM
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Its not about white, black, yellow or brown. Its what you think about American terrorist.

I quote "I personally have nothing against the religion at all." I appreciate that, i wish there are people like you.

I quote "But I'll tell you this, I HATE TERRORISTS!! Just so you know" Same here but I also hate unjust WAR.
Well do you think American should have attacked itself for what Timothy M. did? Kind of irrelevant if you ask me. Like I said, I hate terrorists and Tim., the Unabomber, the Anthrax guy and Bin Laden all fall into that category.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
So do you think the victims of 9/11 were innocent? The speaker on NPR tells you about the fatwa, but not about his personal view. He does not define what "terrorism" or "the innocent" means, and is somewhat Clinton-esque in his verbiabge. He could very well hate the west, and think than no-one in the twin towers was innocent, right?

Could you clarify what his view is?

Please help us understand what is meant by "innocent."
He clearlu defines the defination of "Innocent"

Why don't you define me the defination of "Innocent" and I will be clear what you think.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 08:44 AM
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Well do you think American should have attacked itself for what Timothy M. did? Kind of irrelevant if you ask me. Like I said, I hate terrorists and Tim., the Unabomber, the Anthrax guy and Bin Laden all fall into that category.

Good.... same view as mine.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 08:50 AM
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Good.... same view as mine.
You just need to remember that American isn't going to battle with Islam. It just so happens that a lot of our enemy happens to follow it. Had Tim. been located in a different country and had he been protected by an Army of dedicated gangsters you can bet we'd have been at war in 1995 too.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi
You just need to remember that American isn't going to battle with Islam. It just so happens that a lot of our enemy happens to follow it. Had Tim. been located in a different country and had he been protected by an Army of dedicated gangsters you can bet we'd have been at war in 1995 too.

I totally agree with your reply and agree about attacking Afghanistan but why IRAQ?



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