Because this should be the number one intent of an information based site. Are you telling me that askmuslims.com truly is an online pilgrimage?

"A Confused Person" Haha. Typical answer... You want to know who else is confused and incapable of logical thought? Those damn homosexuals! I tell ya... them gays are a crazy bunch, aren't they? :sarcasm:

And of course you have a legitimate answer for the Hadith! It's because your Muslim council and scholars have different views from the other scholars that happen to recognize the Hadith. So we're back to square one in regards to not-accepting any other forms of Islam and texts because they don't conveniently meet the bill.

 

Salty, believe me i didn't want to answer you because I know you will only argue and we will never get to a conculsion but I am answering because of two reasons.

1) Your intension was wrong. Why I say that because if you really want to learn from askmuslims the first thing you would ask should have been about GOD but no you wanted to know something which is not important to know when compared to clearing out the confusion of GOD. MAn you are confused of about GOD then why do you care about a thing which is not important to you before clearing that part first. That shows your intension

2) I quote you "It's because your Muslim council and scholars have different views from the other scholars that happen to recognize the Hadith" No we don't have different views, but you think by putting that statement I will answer your question about that Hadith, my friend you are wrong. As I said you first you have to start from A B C D....Z then you will learn "words" then "sentence" because if you don't start from beginning and jump to sentence you will not understand any thing. So dude start from who is GOD then go in details... Just my advice

 

So God has nothing to do with the afterlife? My intentions, eh? I really just wanted to point out Christianities version of the ‘afterlife’ doesn't compare with the one Allah provides for Muslims accepted into heaven.

The Muslim version of heaven is far more sexual for starters. Therefore, how do you reasonably compare the two as one and the same without offending your audience of non-Muslims? By saying I'm wrong it's clear you're protecting the only God and afterlife you assume to exist, you see? How very closed-minded of you! Your bias is concrete.

I know the hadith exists and many Muslim scholars know it to be true as well. If you tell me otherwise you're either ill-informed or full of crap. Al-Tirmidhi himself wrote the hadith in Sunan at-Tirmidhi - one of six highly respected hadith compilations used in Sunni Islam. His interpretations of hadith are among the most accurate in the Islamic religion to date.

 

You are right about Hadith but I won't explain to you because people like just like to argue and that why this is my last response to you on this arguement because like i said you are wasting your time and mine so if you stick to the same question then the only thing i got to say is good luck,,,

this is funny when you say "I really just wanted to point out Christianities version of the ‘afterlife’ doesn't compare with the one Allah provides for Muslims accepted into heaven." man you are confused good luck. Everyone else see I am inviting Salty to learn about Islam from start and s/he doesn't want to so I live that person alone because arguing will never get a result but the Devil takes advantage of it.

From all your questions its clear that you hate Islam....

 

Wow. You are condescending and quite ignorant.

Are you really that quick to judge others you have never met?

You can tell through 4-5 posts that he "hates" islam?

Before you start helping people try to understand islam, how bout you start trying to understand social interaction.

 

Fixed
So you're still stuck referencing something that happened a thousand years ago as an excuse to hate?
Get over it!

Thanks for the history lesson flysky

That's nice and everything, but maybe you should change your target audience, and tell that to the "jihadists".

Again, tell that to the guys flying planes into civilian buildings or walking into clubs, busses, subways, weddings and other public gatherings blowing up themselves, civilians, women and children.

Contrary to what you want to believe, nobody here hates all muslims or thinks all muslims support terrorisim, but I do think maybe you could do more to further your cause by spreading your "peaceful" teachings to those who do support terrorisim.

 

*Oh please say they aren't Muslim, please say they aren't Muslim*

Now let's get into the brilliance of Islam and how clerics and scholars categorize when the going gets rough, shall we? Traditional Sunni leaders did this by labeling extremists under Qutbism (google). So instead of having orthodox Sunni scholars demand Mr. Qutb (the originator) develop an entirely new religion, they accepted it as another view of Islam. I emphasis "view" because they were wise enough not to make it another sect (although Salafi is damn close - Al Zarqawi can be traced to this sect). Regardless, it was an accepted view nonetheless and still is to this very day. So it helped develop a little 'safe zone' for iron fist Islamic governments, some extreme Sunni scholars and extreme Wahhabi. But even the really, really bad ones are even denouced as being Qutbee (Osama Bin laden). How convenient...

Must be nice. I bet a day didn't pass the Pope had hoped he had done something like this when hearing supposed men of the cloth were ***** deep in twelve year old ***. Like it or not, part of the Catholic church died that day and rightfully so. I guess it comes with the territory when dealing with a more organized religion that has a governing body. I’m glad the Catholic church was held accountable for their actions during those dark times, too.

Anyways... I tried to be nice but it seems I’m the "confused" one. I don't know how this happened seeing how I’m the impartial and dispassionate one on this topic. Being agnostic, it sorta comes with the territory regarding religion. I'm only confused in your eyes because you seem to be so sure of your faith. Good for you. I consider it to be a major fault and part of the problem though...

You think I hate Islam? No. It can be a beautiful and peaceful religion. I respect it as such on the larger scale. I only hate the fact some Muslims have so much hatred toward Western civilization. I also hate the fact these idiots could give a damn about being held accountable from peaceful Muslims like yourself.

I'm done with this thread. Goodluck to you, flysky.

 

flysky, please quit hyping your website. we are not the people you need to be broadcasting your message to.

if peaceful Muslims such as yourself could talk some sense into all of the maggapacking (say it fast and you'll get it) jihadists, then the West would be more accepting.

Caveat: I think that US foreign policy can't and shouldnt be exonerated from blame for the Middle-East conflict to a small degreee. However, I feel that that the onus falls more on the people of that faith for these egregious acts than anyone else

 

I am not trying to hype the site but introduce a site "which is ready to answer all your questions about Islam" which you may have. The site is only to clear misconception about Islam, we created this site because people have questions but are afraid to ask Muslims face to face. But once we create this site people started asking questions thru e-mail and posting question on forum. We would like to thank all the people who visited and asked questions and also thank people who really appreciate our work and encourage us.

 

Hey fly, what I don't see in your response is you making it clear where YOU stand regarding the United States and/or its citizens. Do you deplore the efforts of bin laden, the acts of 9/11, and terrorists who commited these acts: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Just as in previous struggles, the American population as a whole look at muslims warrily, and want to know where they each stand as individuals. For example, many immigrant business owners fly American flags and "support our troops" stickers to show their support for the country as a whole, no matter whether they agree with all our countries dealings.

The lack of high profile muslims distancing themselves from terrorism builds distrust and tension.

 

The reason some have "misconceptions" about islam isn't nescesarily because they are ingorant or uneducated about the religon, it's because there are many people whom happen to share your religon, killing innocent people left and right in the name of your religeon. Your efforts would be much more fruitful if you tried to put an end to those in your community who creat these "misconceptions" by thier actions and teachings, wich contradict the point you're trying to get across(islam is a religon of peace). A piece of advice: If you're trying to promote the peacefulness of your ideals, you're going about it the wrong way. The biggest problem muslims have isn't because of the the way some of the world views them, it's the people amongst you who cause some of the world to view you that way.

 

And that is pretty much that. We aint hating on you flysky, just speaking the truth.

 

Hey Helladumb, thanks for posting the message as far as my view of the acts of 9/11, and terrorists I have same view as the guest on NPR and actually he will answer all your questions which asked I hope you will visit the site and listern to it.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4792265

 

Here and in the 3rd paragraph of post 11 (Isreal/Pal conflict) you have been extremely opinionated. This is exactly what Salty is talking about when he speaks of someone else throwing a stick in the spoke. If you would take one minute and look at this entire situation from an open-minded standpoint without being critical you'd see how important it is to explain your religion in the least bias sense possible. Otherwise you're spewing the same pro-Islam rhetoric we have all heard time and time again. You were quick to mention Israelis killing Palestinians but neglected the fact that it takes two to tango. I've have seen my share of suicide bombings on behalf of radicals too. You need to realize that just as Christians had a radical organization (IRA) so do Muslims (obviously). There are so many different interpretations that trying to explain an entire religion (especially one as large as Islam) by one person is frankly pointless. It's great that you're trying to inform the average American person on what the religion consists of but how many extremeists do you have contributing to your web-site? My point exactly.

 

Hey VIBEELEVEN and dub2w you are speaking the truth by seeing only one side. Tell me what do i say to those innocent people who are killed in Iraq should I tell them don't harm us after we killed your family in a second. What should I say to Bosinan Muslims whose families were killed by Chrisitian Serbs not to take revenge because we didn't see the killing on tv. What should I say those Innocent Palestians who have legal paper for their properties but the world doesn't see it even though UN said Isreal is occupied there land illegally but we support Isreal. What should i say to them tell me that we will kill your family but please don't kill us because our life are more precious then yours. Tell me my friends how do i stop them if they are fighting for their . I would like to know what people would say if a Muslim country (who was very powerful) invaded lets say Australia won't Australian citizen defend it and if they can't won't they try to harm that Muslim country TELL ME.]

And if you have the answer for then tell me why didn't you stop "Timothy McVay" from killing innocent people. (I believe he was a Christian and why didn't Jews stop recently that 19 yr old kid from killing those innocent Isreali Arabs) TELL ME