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Originally Posted by MBasile
they are gonna freak out with my bottles of insulin then :rotfl: and they can't do crap about it!
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Originally Posted by BlingBlingBlue
You don't fly much, do you?
I've flown enough to know that you don't need your own bottle of water to not feel dehydrated. Also, to you, if you're on a 14 hour flight, I'd find it a PITA for someone to be putting on perfume/cologne or other hygenic products you don't need to apply on a plane.
Like I said, I understand that checking in baggage takes extra time, not only to wait in line to check it in, but the wait for it to go around the carousel. I know it's convenient to not have to wait, and that's the whole reason why baggage companies have made rolling bags that are exact size limit of carry on luggage. However, if the airports/airlines make rules in which it makes them feel safer, why should it not apply to you?
Why do I drive to LA instead of flying every break like most other college students? It's because it's a hassle to fly, which like you stated, I try to avoid.
Originally Posted by SSFWRX
Wombat....we at SFO make more money than you think. We're the highest paid in the nation, not only that but we've been voted best security in the nation 2 years running. Rent a cops we are not...we are government certified TSA screeners on Federal Security contracts. That means way more scrutiny than anyone else in the country. That means we are the ones who follow the rules more than anyone.
Nobody at any of the US checkpoints should ever have anyone drink anything to prove it legitimacy as a consumable liquid. Its strictly forbidden in our operating procedures. Yes the whole thing is a knee jerk reaction, and some of it is overboard. But...a big but...it must be done. You can type all your cute little liberal answers and it really doesnt amount to beans when you work my job, or like "06wrx4me" were in Iraq for IED briefings. I have been briefed by a bomb appraisal officer months ago about the threat of liquid explosives and it has been a threat for a long time. I run a bag everyday where I make simulated bombs and test the screeners who work under me. I know the ins and outs....the do's and donts. You know what you hear from the media. None of what you know amounts to anything legitimate. I receive sensitive security information daily....do you?
Answer one question for me. How are you going to protect a plane from being shot down by a shoulder mounted rocket? You cant. Flat out. We are doing the best we can to keep anyone from getting hurt. We are what is keeping the airline industry alive. If a terrorist wins the game and drops a few planes, the airlines and the economy lose.
Oh yeah...fingernail clippers havent been a prohibited item for 4 years. The knife they sometimes contain is what's prohibited. The media doesnt tell you that do they? Are you also aware that there are tons of federal flight deck officers (ie pilots with guns) and the cockpit doors are hardened and locked. Do you know that there are also many FAMs on aircraft...how about law enforment traveling armed?
You can buy liquids and get drinks and things on the plane. You can check anything within the guidlines in....you just cant have it as a carry on.
We make things random, and unpredictable so that passengers who think they know it all....find out quickly...its not as they thought. It keeps you in the "wanting to know" and us "in the know." It makes it so people cannot easily find out routines and things.
Please re-assess your comments as they are unfounded and completely ignorant.
Nobody at any of the US checkpoints should ever have anyone drink anything to prove it legitimacy as a consumable liquid. Its strictly forbidden in our operating procedures. Yes the whole thing is a knee jerk reaction, and some of it is overboard. But...a big but...it must be done. You can type all your cute little liberal answers and it really doesnt amount to beans when you work my job, or like "06wrx4me" were in Iraq for IED briefings. I have been briefed by a bomb appraisal officer months ago about the threat of liquid explosives and it has been a threat for a long time. I run a bag everyday where I make simulated bombs and test the screeners who work under me. I know the ins and outs....the do's and donts. You know what you hear from the media. None of what you know amounts to anything legitimate. I receive sensitive security information daily....do you?
Answer one question for me. How are you going to protect a plane from being shot down by a shoulder mounted rocket? You cant. Flat out. We are doing the best we can to keep anyone from getting hurt. We are what is keeping the airline industry alive. If a terrorist wins the game and drops a few planes, the airlines and the economy lose.
Oh yeah...fingernail clippers havent been a prohibited item for 4 years. The knife they sometimes contain is what's prohibited. The media doesnt tell you that do they? Are you also aware that there are tons of federal flight deck officers (ie pilots with guns) and the cockpit doors are hardened and locked. Do you know that there are also many FAMs on aircraft...how about law enforment traveling armed?
You can buy liquids and get drinks and things on the plane. You can check anything within the guidlines in....you just cant have it as a carry on.
We make things random, and unpredictable so that passengers who think they know it all....find out quickly...its not as they thought. It keeps you in the "wanting to know" and us "in the know." It makes it so people cannot easily find out routines and things.
Please re-assess your comments as they are unfounded and completely ignorant.
Unfounded? No not at all, this is based on many experiences with many different security personnel in many different airports (in the last 18 months: SFO, JFK, PHL, HNL, ITO, Heathrow, Madrid, Munich, Frankfurt, Stockholm, Barcelona, Ben Gurion). This is my experience which you obviously have no insight to with your amazing amount of information and one-sided thinking. I am not telling you how to do your job, I am telling you what it looks from a frequent traveller's perspective. I pay attention, I watch these people and I interact because - it's important to me.
I get regular tech updates from major telecom companies.... Do you? No, because we are in different lines of work. What the f... does that have to do with anything? Like anyone with a brain, I take the media input with a grain of salt.
Glad you guys are makin' the cash. That doesn't make me feel any better about any of the security experiences I have had at SFO in particular - with the most recent last month highlighting the whole thing. I wish I would have gotten that guy's name - it was appalling. The only airports where it seemed like security personnell were even paying attention was in Europe and pointedly, Israel. If you travel a little it's easy to see why America's airport security is a worldwide joke.
Riddle me this... What happens when someone comes up with... A powder based bomb! No more vitamin C packets on the plane? New forms of 'too little too late' reactive searches? Probably. Why not assemble a panel of people who are paid to outsmart the bad guys? Security groups, the government has anything they want at hand to outsmart these guys building bombs in secrecy with random things.
How are you going to protect a plane from a shoulder mounted rocket? The same way you would protect a Starbucks from a suicide bomber. Where do you get this stuff?
Your attitude exemplifies exactly what I am talking about. Here, on this little forum, you have a pretty good cross section of people giving you real life feedback. Instead of paying attention and listening instead of talking, you are simply telling us we are too stupid or too uninformed to have opinions. Thanks for driving my point home.
That said, I know your job is an important and tough one, thanks for taking it seriously.
Cheers.
Originally Posted by wombatsauce
Unfounded? No not at all, this is based on many experiences with many different security personnel in many different airports (in the last 18 months: SFO, JFK, PHL, HNL, ITO, Heathrow, Madrid, Munich, Frankfurt, Stockholm, Barcelona, Ben Gurion). This is my experience which you obviously have no insight to with your amazing amount of information and one-sided thinking. I am not telling you how to do your job, I am telling you what it looks from a frequent traveller's perspective. I pay attention, I watch these people and I interact because - it's important to me.
I get regular tech updates from major telecom companies.... Do you? No, because we are in different lines of work. What the f... does that have to do with anything? Like anyone with a brain, I take the media input with a grain of salt.
Glad you guys are makin' the cash. That doesn't make me feel any better about any of the security experiences I have had at SFO in particular - with the most recent last month highlighting the whole thing. I wish I would have gotten that guy's name - it was appalling. The only airports where it seemed like security personnell were even paying attention was in Europe and pointedly, Israel. If you travel a little it's easy to see why America's airport security is a worldwide joke.
Riddle me this... What happens when someone comes up with... A powder based bomb! No more vitamin C packets on the plane? New forms of 'too little too late' reactive searches? Probably. Why not assemble a panel of people who are paid to outsmart the bad guys? Security groups, the government has anything they want at hand to outsmart these guys building bombs in secrecy with random things.
How are you going to protect a plane from a shoulder mounted rocket? The same way you would protect a Starbucks from a suicide bomber. Where do you get this stuff?
Your attitude exemplifies exactly what I am talking about. Here, on this little forum, you have a pretty good cross section of people giving you real life feedback. Instead of paying attention and listening instead of talking, you are simply telling us we are too stupid or too uninformed to have opinions. Thanks for driving my point home.
That said, I know your job is an important and tough one, thanks for taking it seriously.
Cheers.
I get regular tech updates from major telecom companies.... Do you? No, because we are in different lines of work. What the f... does that have to do with anything? Like anyone with a brain, I take the media input with a grain of salt.
Glad you guys are makin' the cash. That doesn't make me feel any better about any of the security experiences I have had at SFO in particular - with the most recent last month highlighting the whole thing. I wish I would have gotten that guy's name - it was appalling. The only airports where it seemed like security personnell were even paying attention was in Europe and pointedly, Israel. If you travel a little it's easy to see why America's airport security is a worldwide joke.
Riddle me this... What happens when someone comes up with... A powder based bomb! No more vitamin C packets on the plane? New forms of 'too little too late' reactive searches? Probably. Why not assemble a panel of people who are paid to outsmart the bad guys? Security groups, the government has anything they want at hand to outsmart these guys building bombs in secrecy with random things.
How are you going to protect a plane from a shoulder mounted rocket? The same way you would protect a Starbucks from a suicide bomber. Where do you get this stuff?
Your attitude exemplifies exactly what I am talking about. Here, on this little forum, you have a pretty good cross section of people giving you real life feedback. Instead of paying attention and listening instead of talking, you are simply telling us we are too stupid or too uninformed to have opinions. Thanks for driving my point home.
That said, I know your job is an important and tough one, thanks for taking it seriously.
Cheers.
Originally Posted by STi-owns-evo
Well, if you fly so much, can you answer my questions?
I've flown enough to know that you don't need your own bottle of water to not feel dehydrated. Also, to you, if you're on a 14 hour flight, I'd find it a PITA for someone to be putting on perfume/cologne or other hygenic products you don't need to apply on a plane.
Like I said, I understand that checking in baggage takes extra time, not only to wait in line to check it in, but the wait for it to go around the carousel. I know it's convenient to not have to wait, and that's the whole reason why baggage companies have made rolling bags that are exact size limit of carry on luggage. However, if the airports/airlines make rules in which it makes them feel safer, why should it not apply to you?
Why do I drive to LA instead of flying every break like most other college students? It's because it's a hassle to fly, which like you stated, I try to avoid.
I've flown enough to know that you don't need your own bottle of water to not feel dehydrated. Also, to you, if you're on a 14 hour flight, I'd find it a PITA for someone to be putting on perfume/cologne or other hygenic products you don't need to apply on a plane.
Like I said, I understand that checking in baggage takes extra time, not only to wait in line to check it in, but the wait for it to go around the carousel. I know it's convenient to not have to wait, and that's the whole reason why baggage companies have made rolling bags that are exact size limit of carry on luggage. However, if the airports/airlines make rules in which it makes them feel safer, why should it not apply to you?
Why do I drive to LA instead of flying every break like most other college students? It's because it's a hassle to fly, which like you stated, I try to avoid.
You have NOT flown enough to know that I prefer to have my own bottle of water rather than waiting for the stewardess to come by and deliver me a teeny glass of water. This puts me in control of my hydration, and simultaneously leaves her to tend to more important needs of other passengers.
I am with you on the cologne/perfume etc. When you fly, you shouldn't be treating it like a date. Worst case people should do their primping in the restroom. I usually count on looking trashed and smelling like *** when I get off the plane because it's not worth it to me to try to put on a front - if I have been sitting in a cramped chair (flying while 6'1" sucks) for 10-15 hours I want to look like it.. Haha.
Though, I had a friend who's bf gave her a seriously hard time if she didn't brush her teeth before getting off the plane, and she took it seriously. Point being - step outside of your point of view and realize that you have no idea what other people are going through or what drives them. Just because something 'works for you' in your particular life doesn't mean it works for anyone else. Have some compassion.
I check bags every time I fly. I do this because I don't want to be one of those *******s with 3 carryons who ruins it for everyone else. My choice. However, there are a few things I like to take on board to make the trip easier for me. Who are you to tell me I shouldn't want those? Welcome to America, a country based and founded on questioning authority.
Every time I check a bag I take into consideration that it may not be there when I arrive, or maybe it will but it will be destroyed or coated in jet-a (all have happened). I would be stupid to just check bags with faith that they will always arrive. It would be impossible for me to travel for work and check my laptop or other items which I NEED to get my job done. If it comes to that, I will be forced to ship my needed items ahead of time since airline baggage systems CANNOT be trusted.
In short, take some time to realize that your perspective on the world is yours alone, and everyone is different.
I am with you on the driving thing. Any more trips I take on this continent will be road trips.
Originally Posted by SSFWRX
I'm wasting my time with you. Good day.
Originally Posted by SSFWRX
None of what you know amounts to anything legitimate. I receive sensitive security information daily....do you?
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Originally Posted by STi-owns-evo
Well, if you fly so much, can you answer my questions?
I've flown enough to know that you don't need your own bottle of water to not feel dehydrated. Also, to you, if you're on a 14 hour flight, I'd find it a PITA for someone to be putting on perfume/cologne or other hygenic products you don't need to apply on a plane.
Like I said, I understand that checking in baggage takes extra time, not only to wait in line to check it in, but the wait for it to go around the carousel. I know it's convenient to not have to wait, and that's the whole reason why baggage companies have made rolling bags that are exact size limit of carry on luggage. However, if the airports/airlines make rules in which it makes them feel safer, why should it not apply to you?
Why do I drive to LA instead of flying every break like most other college students? It's because it's a hassle to fly, which like you stated, I try to avoid.
I've flown enough to know that you don't need your own bottle of water to not feel dehydrated. Also, to you, if you're on a 14 hour flight, I'd find it a PITA for someone to be putting on perfume/cologne or other hygenic products you don't need to apply on a plane.
Like I said, I understand that checking in baggage takes extra time, not only to wait in line to check it in, but the wait for it to go around the carousel. I know it's convenient to not have to wait, and that's the whole reason why baggage companies have made rolling bags that are exact size limit of carry on luggage. However, if the airports/airlines make rules in which it makes them feel safer, why should it not apply to you?
Why do I drive to LA instead of flying every break like most other college students? It's because it's a hassle to fly, which like you stated, I try to avoid.
There is no need to put on fragrance during the flight, in fact it is rude. However, checking fragrance, or most any toiletries for that matter, is asking for everything in your checked luggage to be covered in said fragrance/lotion/etc because of the way bags are handled. This is assuming you are lucky enough to have your luggage arrive at your destination. If I was required to check my laptop, I'd FedEx it before trusting the monkeys that manhandle and destroy my work tools.
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I wonder if there will be consipracy theory on this one again
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Wombat and Blingbling - I'm positive that both of you have flown more than I have flown, there's no argument about that, but I have flown both short flights, and long flights. In both cases, whether it be to Hawaii or Japan, I've never had a problem with dehydration on a plane. Heck, last time I flew from Hawaii, I recieved 2 drinks (as blingbling says 4 oz cups) and a 12 oz bottle of water, which 20oz is enough for me to survive a 6 hour flight. On my flight to Japan, every 30 minutes a stewardess passed by with a pot of green tea asking anyone if they needed anything to drink.
If you ask most of the people I know, I always try to take the view of the opposite before making a real judgement and I'm sorry if it seems like I didn't here. From the view of the many vs the view of the few, toiletries especially such with strong fragrances are not needed, and like how Blingbling said, outright rude. The few who need to apply such items, need to realize there are now rules that are prohibiting it and instead of *****ing and moaning, they accept what they are.
However, I never said anything about laptops and the like. Only thing I've ever put through checkin that's worth over $100 that can break have been golf clubs, and even then I was nervous the entire time hoping that they wouldn't be destroyed, but there's no other way to get them to where I was going other than shipping, in which they would be treated just as badly. Agreeing on how baggage can be handled (I'm a lucky one that's never had anything lost, damage, nor destroyed) I agree that laptops should not be checked in if you want it to operate afterwords, however I'm sure it will be treated the same way going through FedEx.
So with that being said, we have our own views, and we agree on some, however when there are rules set (even if it is a reactive rule instead of a proactive rule) we need to learn to live with them, or change our lives to avoid it as much as possible. Like you and I agree on Wombat, driving is probably a much better choice if it's anywhere in the U.S.
If you ask most of the people I know, I always try to take the view of the opposite before making a real judgement and I'm sorry if it seems like I didn't here. From the view of the many vs the view of the few, toiletries especially such with strong fragrances are not needed, and like how Blingbling said, outright rude. The few who need to apply such items, need to realize there are now rules that are prohibiting it and instead of *****ing and moaning, they accept what they are.
However, I never said anything about laptops and the like. Only thing I've ever put through checkin that's worth over $100 that can break have been golf clubs, and even then I was nervous the entire time hoping that they wouldn't be destroyed, but there's no other way to get them to where I was going other than shipping, in which they would be treated just as badly. Agreeing on how baggage can be handled (I'm a lucky one that's never had anything lost, damage, nor destroyed) I agree that laptops should not be checked in if you want it to operate afterwords, however I'm sure it will be treated the same way going through FedEx.
So with that being said, we have our own views, and we agree on some, however when there are rules set (even if it is a reactive rule instead of a proactive rule) we need to learn to live with them, or change our lives to avoid it as much as possible. Like you and I agree on Wombat, driving is probably a much better choice if it's anywhere in the U.S.
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