I have seen pictures of planes with sections missing!!! not just a window or a stabilizer, SECTIONS!!! Planes are not as fragile and weak as everyone makes them out to be. Yes they have weaknesses but it would take more than alot of people think to make a plane fall from the sky. Blowing up a plane using flammable liquids is a pretty tough job considering the limited ammount of "fuel" you can carry in a water bottle.

 

Since when has it been a passengers job to do security screening?

Also, those of us who fly frequently for business do not check baggage. It takes far too long, and losing ones luggage is not an option when you fly somewhere for a meeting.

Honestly, if I believed any of this was necessary for safety, I'd be supporting it 100%. BUT the reality is that it does nothing more for safety than removing your shoes in the security line.

 

Its the same thing though. "we have to have drinks to survive, blah blah" Get a drink from the drink cart. A 20oz bottle can make a big enough explosion to take out a plane. They may be tough yes, but if you put it by the wing its over.

 

If you read the bulliten that came out it says that formulas will be allowed on board, only if tested by another passenger or person.
The main reason any of this is going on is to show the terrorists that we are not just letting them get by. We are looking for them and that is deterence in itself. No matter what we do they will find a way to get through the security and when people fight the security because they only want there water or dont want to check there luggage, then it just makes everything harder.

 

Why can't everyone take a drink of whatever they are drinking with a security guy as a witness? This is not the issue though "not for me anyway". My issue is the fact that we over react to every new situation we face.

A 20 oz. bottle of "fuel" will NOT drop a plane from the sky. It is nothing more than a molitov cocktail. yes, It will cause fire and I can see the concern with that but you aren't going to blow a plane up like that.

 

if im correct, the atmosphere in a plane, especially when pressurized at 35000ft, is oxygen heavy right? more so than normal air? therefore a fire inside a cabin would pose a serious threat, right?

 

It's definitely a threat. In the case of a fire the oxygen going to the passenger cabin will be shut off to prevent the fire from spreading and they have fire extinguishers on board. The fire would consume mass amounts of oxygen and that would be where getting the fire put out quickly would be very important, once the fire is out the oxygen can be restored. I was stating that it would not blow up the plane. Yes, the cabin is rich in oxygen and if a hole was blown in the side of the plane the fire would be out in an instant. I wasn't debating the fact that it wouldn't cause damge, I was saying that it would not destroy the plane in an instant like had been posted previously.

 

oh, okay

 

Having said that. I would prefer not to be in a tube filled with smoke and fire. When I was on a submarine we used to run drills all the time to see how fast we could put the fires out because the amount of oxygen consumed by the fire and the amount of by products that it gives off will fill a 250' x 30' tube in minutes or less depending on the fire type and location.

 

after 9/11 happened....my bag was opened and gone thru, my shoes were removed and i was frisked.....this didnt bother me..... what bothered me is that SeaTac airport had super sensitive metal dectors alllll of which i set off. after removing my earing rings, tounge ring and everything else on my body that might trigger it..... it still wouldnt stop. I was then taken into a room next to the terminals which i was strip searched. only after i was completely nekkid did i not set these stupid devices off.....after inspecting each item of clothing i was wearing....they determined it was....get this..... my UNDERWIRE in my freaking bra! it possed a small amount of metal. After holding my flight up almost 20 min (instead of putting me on the next one they made the whole flight wait for me) i get on the plane in which everyone had already been notified the plane was being held up to a a pssenger inspection because of a possible threat......they proceed to put me on a FULLLY booked flight with about 200 very ANGRY passengers. that was the loneliest, embarassing, most uncomfortble feeling ever.

luckily a few people were nice and since i didnt pose a threat or look like it talked to me and shared the joy of being better safe than sorry.

i think america is is quick to "protect" ourselves with too much over reaction, at the same time tho.....just deal with it like everyone else says..... prepare yourself for whats expected and what you can bring. Im choosing not to fly to Seattle for formula D.... might drive....might just not go.

its the airlines who are going to be hurt the most by this....were just inconvienced. If airlines are smart they will help ticket sales by providing adequate drinks and snacks for their passengers which will help booster sales for them because the are be accomidating.

with everything else the drama of this will settle down and things well be back to our normal chaos.....just expect the worst and hope for the best....i think thats all any of us can do. im starting to dislike living in cali already and the US as a whole isnt great....but its still FAR better living conditions than most places and even if the govt is still taking away our civil rights for now.....we still have the right to stand up for our rights! thats more than a lot of other countries peeps can do.

 

TTIWWOP

 

w00t!!!! pics please? PLEASE!? :rotfl: j/k :wiggle:

 

I am at the airport now and it is crazy. It is funny how people can think they are special and the rules don't imply to them. They won't check the bags that have liquids or gels and then they argue, ***** and moan at the security check point then the security people make them throw it away. That what is caused the biggest hold up.

Ok so ya, it is an inconvience to have to check your bag if you have any sort of gel or liquid in it. But honestly think about it, what if they let one flight have liquids and gel and that was the flight that got hijacked and blew up. Then people that would have been complaining(passengers, family, government, etc.) would now be blaming the government about how they did do enough to prevent it.

Not trying to get into a politic debate but thats the way the world turns.

 

And I suppose you think the "bulletin" makes more sense than common sense...

I'm done discussing this topic. Have fun paying much, much more for air travel! I fly fully refundable, usually around a grand per trip, which subsidizes leisure travellers. The decision was made today that we would make an eight hour drive to avoid a 3 hour flight...blacktraxgirl is correct when she says the big losers are the airlines.

 

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