So who sleeps with a firearm close by to protect from intruders?
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Originally Posted by ipozestu
How 'bout your life? Your wife or girl friend's life, your child? Have you ever heard a 12 ga chamber a round? It's pretty a intimidating sound. Nothing says you have to fire.
Most intruders aren't looking to kill me. Having a gun in my home makes it FAR more likely that I or my gf will be injured than not having one.
Yes, I have loaded and shot a wide variety of firearms, including a 12ga. I choose not to own one as a choice, not fear.
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I don't have guns in case someone breaks into my house... We live in a f'ed up world, with even more f'd up people... I dont trust anyone except my family and gf (and a few of my friends)... So why should I trust any stranger with my life? You don't know if they have ill intentions... You dont know if they will kill your dog, your mom, your sister... You JUST don't know. I'm not going to run like some weak coward when someone decideds that they want my stuff... If they have a gun, you better believe that they will be dead before they hit the ground. I take zero chances, especially when it comes to my loved ones.
Oh yeah, and I like collecting too.
Oh yeah, and I like collecting too.
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Collecting is fine. But really, I'm not convinced that I am a 'weak coward' because I choose not to keep a gun in my home and shoot someone who wants my stuff.
Its not being a weak coward when I let someone take my stuff. I know what i have, and that it will be replaced. Its just stuff. I know that having a gun in my home means that it is 22 times (thats 2200%) more likely that the gun will be used to injure a family member than an intruder, that having a gun in the home triples the chances of a homicide, and that guns are used to defend a home successfully in less than 2% of home invasions in which someone is home.
My choice not to own a gun is not about weakness, its about playing the odds. And the odds are MUCH further in my favor than in yours.
But, feel free to put your loved ones in greater danger but call me the weak coward.
Its not being a weak coward when I let someone take my stuff. I know what i have, and that it will be replaced. Its just stuff. I know that having a gun in my home means that it is 22 times (thats 2200%) more likely that the gun will be used to injure a family member than an intruder, that having a gun in the home triples the chances of a homicide, and that guns are used to defend a home successfully in less than 2% of home invasions in which someone is home.
My choice not to own a gun is not about weakness, its about playing the odds. And the odds are MUCH further in my favor than in yours.
But, feel free to put your loved ones in greater danger but call me the weak coward.
Originally Posted by Wingless Wonder
I have something better than a firearm waiting for an intruder. Twice as large as the trap pictured, modified with higher tension springs that requires a ratchet and 10mm socket to set, with a razor-serrated steel spring bar. A carefully-cut piece of carpet allows this device to remain unseen even in the daytime. The intruder may be able to stumble away from the property but the ****er'll be wearin' a new pair of shoes that'll have to be surgically removed. 
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I, unlike just about everyone here, have no idea what would happen if someone broke into my house... Though my priorities are very clear. I grew up never ever locking my doors (car, house, otherwise) and frankly I like that a lot better than all the fear that seems to be going on here. I understand how that wouldn't be possible here of course.
I would never point a gun at someone unless I were 100% prepared to use it, and I hope I NEVER need to be. There is not that much time between the menacing sound of a chamber loading and decision time and backing down from THAT bluff is a lot worse than not having a weapon in the first place. I have seen that with my own eyes. I really hope that I live my entire life without ever benefitting survivalwise from my own weapons.
On the other hand, I am also sure one can be jaded after a few first-hand experiences...
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Originally Posted by mcowger
Collecting is fine. But really, I'm not convinced that I am a 'weak coward' because I choose not to keep a gun in my home and shoot someone who wants my stuff.
Its not being a weak coward when I let someone take my stuff. I know what i have, and that it will be replaced. Its just stuff. I know that having a gun in my home means that it is 22 times (thats 2200%) more likely that the gun will be used to injure a family member than an intruder, that having a gun in the home triples the chances of a homicide, and that guns are used to defend a home successfully in less than 2% of home invasions in which someone is home.
My choice not to own a gun is not about weakness, its about playing the odds. And the odds are MUCH further in my favor than in yours.
But, feel free to put your loved ones in greater danger but call me the weak coward.
Its not being a weak coward when I let someone take my stuff. I know what i have, and that it will be replaced. Its just stuff. I know that having a gun in my home means that it is 22 times (thats 2200%) more likely that the gun will be used to injure a family member than an intruder, that having a gun in the home triples the chances of a homicide, and that guns are used to defend a home successfully in less than 2% of home invasions in which someone is home.
My choice not to own a gun is not about weakness, its about playing the odds. And the odds are MUCH further in my favor than in yours.
But, feel free to put your loved ones in greater danger but call me the weak coward.
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Originally Posted by mcowger
Collecting is fine. But really, I'm not convinced that I am a 'weak coward' because I choose not to keep a gun in my home and shoot someone who wants my stuff.
Its not being a weak coward when I let someone take my stuff. I know what i have, and that it will be replaced. Its just stuff. I know that having a gun in my home means that it is 22 times (thats 2200%) more likely that the gun will be used to injure a family member than an intruder, that having a gun in the home triples the chances of a homicide, and that guns are used to defend a home successfully in less than 2% of home invasions in which someone is home.
My choice not to own a gun is not about weakness, its about playing the odds. And the odds are MUCH further in my favor than in yours.
But, feel free to put your loved ones in greater danger but call me the weak coward.
Its not being a weak coward when I let someone take my stuff. I know what i have, and that it will be replaced. Its just stuff. I know that having a gun in my home means that it is 22 times (thats 2200%) more likely that the gun will be used to injure a family member than an intruder, that having a gun in the home triples the chances of a homicide, and that guns are used to defend a home successfully in less than 2% of home invasions in which someone is home.
My choice not to own a gun is not about weakness, its about playing the odds. And the odds are MUCH further in my favor than in yours.
But, feel free to put your loved ones in greater danger but call me the weak coward.
For example, the claim "that having a gun in the home triples the chances of a homicide" paints a poor outcome for the home dweller. In reality, the increase in homicide comes from the bad guy getting smoked.
If you choose not to have a firearm in the house, fine.
You'll probably never have the need to use it anyway.
But please don't "scare" others with stats from obvious anti-gun organizations.
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The 22 times more likely:
Kellermann AL, "Injuries and Deaths Due to Firearms in the Home", J, Trauma 1998; 45(2):263-67.
The 3 times more likely stat:
Kellermann AL, Rivara FP, Rushforth NB, et. al., "Gun Ownership As A Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home," N Engl J Med. 1993;329:1084-1091.
The 2% stat:
Kellermann AL, "Weapon Involvement in Home Invasion Crimes",JAMA 1995;273(22):1759-62.
JAMA, New England Journal of Medecine and Trauma are pretty good sources.
You may think that "In reality, the increase in homicide comes from the bad guy getting smoked.", but the evidence doesn't agree with you. They don't sit straight with you because you don't like to hear it.
Kellermann AL, "Injuries and Deaths Due to Firearms in the Home", J, Trauma 1998; 45(2):263-67.
The 3 times more likely stat:
Kellermann AL, Rivara FP, Rushforth NB, et. al., "Gun Ownership As A Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home," N Engl J Med. 1993;329:1084-1091.
The 2% stat:
Kellermann AL, "Weapon Involvement in Home Invasion Crimes",JAMA 1995;273(22):1759-62.
JAMA, New England Journal of Medecine and Trauma are pretty good sources.
You may think that "In reality, the increase in homicide comes from the bad guy getting smoked.", but the evidence doesn't agree with you. They don't sit straight with you because you don't like to hear it.
Originally Posted by Oaf
Kindly cite your source for the stats you've used, because they don't sit straight.
For example, the claim "that having a gun in the home triples the chances of a homicide" paints a poor outcome for the home dweller. In reality, the increase in homicide comes from the bad guy getting smoked.
If you choose not to have a firearm in the house, fine.
You'll probably never have the need to use it anyway.
But please don't "scare" others with stats from obvious anti-gun organizations.
For example, the claim "that having a gun in the home triples the chances of a homicide" paints a poor outcome for the home dweller. In reality, the increase in homicide comes from the bad guy getting smoked.
If you choose not to have a firearm in the house, fine.
You'll probably never have the need to use it anyway.
But please don't "scare" others with stats from obvious anti-gun organizations.
Originally Posted by Oaf
For example, the claim "that having a gun in the home triples the chances of a homicide" paints a poor outcome for the home dweller.
Originally Posted by Oaf
In reality, the increase in homicide comes from the bad guy getting smoked.
Originally Posted by Oaf
If you choose not to have a firearm in the house, fine.
You'll probably never have the need to use it anyway.
But please don't "scare" others with stats from obvious anti-gun organizations.
You'll probably never have the need to use it anyway.
But please don't "scare" others with stats from obvious anti-gun organizations.
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Origami posted by wombatsauce
Wow, all some lowlife has to do is break into your house, get caught in a trap and he's set for life. It's generally not a good idea to set people traps so I have heard.
Wow, all some lowlife has to do is break into your house, get caught in a trap and he's set for life. It's generally not a good idea to set people traps so I have heard.
Where I live, I have no need to arm myself for protection against an unknown intruder (and I don't).
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Originally Posted by Wingless Wonder
Sorry, I was kidding in my previous post. A trap like the one I described would likely bag my own pets.
Where I live, I have no need to arm myself for protection against an unknown intruder (and I don't).
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Where I live, I have no need to arm myself for protection against an unknown intruder (and I don't).
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Originally Posted by wombatsauce
Only for the home dweller who chooses to sleepily 'offer' their weapons to an intruder.
Bullshirt. The 'bad guy' has had as much time as he needed to plan this and figure out what he is gonna do. You have no idea who has bulletproof garb and who doesn't these days. The only benefit you have (maybe) is knowledge of your floorplan. You have a split second to react. You are going to wake up, asses the situation, secure your weapon, try to look menacing in your skivvies, and make a decison up to par with the guy who has already been mentally THERE for who knows how long? I don't think so. I could be wrong, but I really doubt it. Maybe 1 in a 100 people would have the experience or fortitude that situation requires but generally speaking, if you think you do - you DON'T.
Everyone is free to voice their opinion here AFAIK.
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Bullshirt. The 'bad guy' has had as much time as he needed to plan this and figure out what he is gonna do. You have no idea who has bulletproof garb and who doesn't these days. The only benefit you have (maybe) is knowledge of your floorplan. You have a split second to react. You are going to wake up, asses the situation, secure your weapon, try to look menacing in your skivvies, and make a decison up to par with the guy who has already been mentally THERE for who knows how long? I don't think so. I could be wrong, but I really doubt it. Maybe 1 in a 100 people would have the experience or fortitude that situation requires but generally speaking, if you think you do - you DON'T.
Everyone is free to voice their opinion here AFAIK.
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When I was growing up where I lived there where some poeple that talked hard but when it came down to it where the biggest pussies I had met where as some of the truely hard bastards I knew you would never know it to look at them or speak to them until something kicked off, when it did you knew these guys where nut cases.
I see this the same way, most folks that carry guns and feel they have to talk about it all the time are actually trying to convince themselves of something and probably would not react quick enough to do anything with their weapons mostly ending up dead for it.
Just my thoughs..
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I've slept with an M-16, M-240, RPK (ak-47 big brother), grenade launcher, and an AT4 (rocket launcher) all within arms reach for the past year. oh yeah i'm in iraq by the way.
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Originally Posted by 4080wrx
I've slept with an M-16, M-240, RPK (ak-47 big brother), grenade launcher, and an AT4 (rocket launcher) all within arms reach for the past year. oh yeah i'm in iraq by the way.
Oh, post some #(*%! pictures of the weapons.
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Originally Posted by brucelee
Its one thing to be "hard", its another thing to be prepared, and to try to have your friends prepare themselves also.
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