Not arguing....but then again you really can't tell over the internet.

Just wanted to see why everyone was all "+1 for the S2k"

That's all.

And as far as the comment about slower things handling better, it was a comment to be held in the context of cars in this category (Import Performance)

As far as displacement, I've seen lots of motors that are V whatever 5.x with HP numbers below a Turbocharged/Supercharged 4 banger....

 

handling and speed have not a thing to do with each other....

How does the engine output of a car have anything at all to do with suspension geometry, weight, and weight balance?

and people were saying +1 for the S2k becaues he was looking into buying one and the deal he has is a good one

and dont start with ricer excuses about V8s, seriously. Every major motorsport uses a v8 or a v10, for good reason

 

Power to weight ratio.....

But if he is looking to spend 30k...and you can get a WRX TR for around 25K.....?

 

Oh god...you did use to be a honda owner?

power to weight ratio...I dont like displacement...a turbo 4banger can beat a v8...etc etc.

And again, power to weight ratio has NOTHING to do with handling. Power period had nothing to do with handling. *shakes head*

And did you not read his post? He didnt ask about a wrx or wrx TR at all, he simply asked about a s2k

I would easily spend 30k on a s2k and would never buy a WRX TR. Why? Its called personal choice, not everone wants the same car, is that so hard to grasp?

 

I drive an 06 TR with a rear sway bar, rear strut bar, and STi pink springs and had a field day on the S2000 that was behind me. We were not racing, just doing some spirited driving, but he couldnt keep up in a straight line or around a corner. When we got to a red light we talked for a minute and he said wow because he was trying to keep up.

The S2000 is a nice car and one of a kind and if you are getting it for invoice or below go for it. If its the car that you have always wanted, buy it. If your getting it for performance reasons, go with the WRX. That is just my opinion.

 

No never owned a Honduh.
Lived in Japan and owned several S13's Both with the CA18DET and SR20DET.

I'm not a fan of displacement, because there are a lot of engines out there that are huge, that don't perform as well as their size would indicate.

Sorry about my misinterpretation on the OP not asking for info on the WRX.

And yes...power does effect handling.

No personal choice is not hard to grasp.

Can I ask why you are being so confrontational on this?

Seriously I was just asking for why the preferance (mostly on Rau's part) was towards the S2k.

 

Yeah, that really counts as conclusive evidence that your car handles better than an s2k....

 

What?
Never said that any of my car's handle better than an S2k. I know that my 180SX would either hang or beat an S2k when they first came out though.

Probably not stock for stock, but the only S2k I ever played with in Japan had aftermarket suspension and so did I.

 

I really hate misinformation

And power DOES NOT effect handling, how can it? How can the motor output have any effect on the way the car handles? Only in the hands of an inexperienced driver will it ever matter (when you see a faster car loose a race to a slower one, its not the cars fault, its the drivers)

 

I wasnt talking to you on that one

 

No problem.

Power as in regards to the Speed of a car, does effect handling.

Take 2 cars. With the same suspension set up.

Say for example an S2k with stock motor, maybe just exhaust upgrades VS. another S2k with a supercharger (stay with me here this is hypothetical)

The guy with the supercharger is going to have a harder time braking, turning, etc due to speed that he will be able to obtain versus the near stock (powerwise) competitor.

I used to prove this all the time in my CA18DET'd Silvia versus ones with the SR20DET. I would kill them in the corners because of slower entry speeds, and be able to hold tighter lines, where as they would enter faster, need to slow down and then compensate.

As soon as we would exit the turn I would have a lead on them, but they would on longer straights catch up.

 

lol...you just proved my point. Thats 100% driver error. Just because you have the power on tap, doesnt mean you need to use it all to effectively navigate a course

How fast a car can enter and exit a corner is 100% dependent on the suspension geometry, weight, and balance of the car itself

If a n00b driver with too much power enters a corner too fast, then that's his fault, not the cars

If you have more power, then you should get up to higher speeds on straights, meaning you need to

1) Brake earlier
2) Get better brakes

In order to get to the correct corner entry speed

 

so how can a mini with less power win an auto-x over a vette with almost three times the power? the power band is smaller in the mini and that allows them to take a turn and stay within there power band the entire time when the vette will have to slow down under the power band and build power back once it exits the corner. A good driver will be able to compensate for this, but not completly get rid of it.

 

I'll have to find the video.....

3 cars, 1 low power, 1 mid, 1 high power.

Low power car beats the other two, all 3 were highly experienced drivers.

 

And a lot of vette owners are n00bs

And a vette will almost always be in its powerband with the gobs of torque it has

What if questions and hypotheticals

again, power does not have ANYTHING to do with handling

The mini excels on a auto-x course because of its small wheel base and weight advantage, not because it has less power