If we have a larger prison population than china or russia, then that means we should be killing more prisoners right?!

 

And my guess why BART police have firearms is that they don't want to be put in a situation where they look back and might have to say "I wish we had a pistol, cuz that tazer didn't stop the crazy drugged up guy" tazers don't always work effectively to stop criminals with an intent to harm

And my guess is thatt if bart police didn't have pistols there would be a lot more crime in the bart system and parking lots

 

everyone that has brought up the 2nd amendment and talking about 'the right to bear arms,' clearly has missed what the 2nd amendment is ACTUALLY saying..

 

There is a very good chance that you would get severly injured or killed by that person. Any number of things can happen with those style of tazers. I've read plenty of police reports at my job of people sent to prison who officers used a tazer to try to apprehend and the tazer was ineffective. Both prongs have to attach to the skin. A moving target, clothing and several other things can effect the connection of those prongs. The time it would take you to switch the cartrige to another to shot, you would have been stabbed by the person. And if the person is on drugs or even severly drunk, the tazer may not have an effect.

I'm fine with them carrying a gun, cause I'm a law abiding citizen who isn't going to be affected by it.

 

First off, "defuse" > "diffuse". Math aside, there are so many illogical fallacies to your statement that it's hard to know where to begin. You suggest that BART officers should have access to guns but not carry them on their hip. Where would be a better location to keep them? Locked up in the patrol car?

Furthermore, what if an otherwise innocuous situation escalates beyond what you are describing as one which may require a less-lethal weapon like a tazer?

I believe based on what we know about this instance that the officers in question used an appropriate level of applied force to stop a direct threat to the well being of themselves, the BART passengers and employees, and perhaps the physical property.

This is pure conjecture, but the anti-gun voices here don't really present a viable alternative given the circumstances allegedly present in this particular incident.

 

they rarely do.

 

I like the bart don't need guns because they don't come to your home.


So let's take away chp firearms and give them lug wrenches since they only deal with cars...

 

Poor guy trying to play the devils advocate and getting gang banged. I feel your pain Dub.

 

 

Well, technically speaking, China's prison population is smaller than ours because the list of crimes that result in execution is much larger than ours, not to mention there isn't much due process over there. Just sayin'.

As for iLoqin, he might not put it most eloquently, but his view is more or less a more extreme version of something with which I can agree. Why do we coddle prisoners? Look at Tookie Williams before he went to prison, he was scrawny; after getting into prison, he got yoked and had enough time to boil up plots to try to literally get away with murder (all while refusing to help law enforcement destroy the Crips, which he founded). Sickening, and his is just one of thousands of stories of prisoners having it good on the inside. Prison should be a horrible place that breaks criminal spirits, not a place where they can become stronger and more cunning while living a more comfortable life than on the outside.

 

Completely agree with choku - prison here isn't hard enough, if you have money/connections you can almost live lavishly in a cell and still can hire contract killers to do your dirty work on the outside and not have to worry about anything...

Hell some of the criminal minded people I know have said they wouldn't mind going to jail because its free and really isn't "that bad" and it would give them a chance to work out and make more criminal connections...

How is that a good thing for society?

So yeah basically, kill them all!! Haha

 

You know being political correct is all ****ed when people in corrections can't pay for full health care coverage themselves, yet the people they lock up get everything they need.

But yea, they do a lot of working out inside there, and a lot of gang activity still goes on even with zero tolerance. Everything is free for them.

 

I never understood why they couldnt make prisoners do hard labor and I dont mean making license plates. Make them earn their keep like Sheriff Joe Arpaio does in Arizona.

Europes prison population is less than 250,000 while US is at 2.5 million. We arrest a lot of people for petty crimes. San Jose until recently was arresting people for DIP and charging them with misdemeanors just clogging up the system. Im sure there are other examples too.

The whole life in prison bull**** also needs to go. Euthanize them and save us the tax dollars. Sure it might be inhumane but you need to create fear in the minds of criminals. Either that or find another country thats willing to take them that we donate billions to yearly.

 

If you're going to use Tookie Williams as an example then you should include everything he did while inside.

 

I don't feel that his children's books and so-called advocacy outweigh the fact that until the day he died, he refused to help law enforcement derail the Crips. His actions seemed only an effort to save his own life as opposed to actually trying to end gang violence. Even if you overlook his crimes and his threats against the jury during his trial, it's difficult to overlook his assaults on prison guards and other inmates in light of the argument that prison is too comfortable. His final statement is filled with rhetoric that is so self-righteous and ironic, I find it morally reprehensible: he calls the death penalty a "barbaric methodology of death" -- what about shotgun murdering a prone 7-11 clerk and an entire family?; he claims to have redeemed himself -- what person can claim that about himself? It's only others than can acknowledge that before it's worth anything, and even someone who has true faith in Islamic/Judeo-Christian tradition should know that it is one's deity that redeems, not oneself. In the end, Tookie's actions ring hollow to me because he refused to devote himself fully to ending gang violence in the most effective way he possible could: by trying to end what he began.