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Old Jul 5, 2011 | 03:21 PM
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By the way, I love the conclusions that burnyou2 jumped to. Hope you didn't pull a muscle on that leap man
Leap? No way man, a minor hop at best! Why argue reasonably when you can be irrational and extreme and make a few people chuckle. I can see both points but I like to get fired up and make rash hilarious assumptions even at the expense of looking like an ***hat, because it gets people
Old Jul 5, 2011 | 03:58 PM
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It seems like those across the atlantic would all be speaking german if not for OUR guns.
As would you as well, if Europe had fallen entirely due to no US involvement they would have rolled right through Russia then coming through Alaska for the US.
Old Jul 5, 2011 | 05:10 PM
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As would you as well, if Europe had fallen entirely due to no US involvement they would have rolled right through Russia then coming through Alaska for the US.
World of Warcraft and Risk "The Game of Global Domination" all come to mind.
Old Jul 5, 2011 | 05:26 PM
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As would you as well, if Europe had fallen entirely due to no US involvement they would have rolled right through Russia then coming through Alaska for the US.
Absolutely! It would a deranged blend of different versions of german all around the world. I just meant that it was with our help that stopped all of it. Not us entirely but we certainly had an affect.
Old Jul 5, 2011 | 05:31 PM
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Absolutely! It would a deranged blend of different versions of german all around the world. I just meant that it was with our help that stopped all of it. Not us entirely but we certainly had an affect.
Totally, England would have fallen eventually without help from the US. There's only so long of being blitzed an island can take!

Even with that help the Russian's got lucky with the cold front that came in and halted the German advance not to mention when the Russian front line started basically crumbling they ordered the 2nd line to open fire on it's own troops which were retreating. Now that is some motivation!
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Originally Posted by burnyou2
Leap? No way man, a minor hop at best! Why argue reasonably when you can be irrational and extreme and make a few people chuckle. I can see both points but I like to get fired up and make rash hilarious assumptions even at the expense of looking like an ***hat, because it gets people
Who said the art of debate is dead?
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@dub So you're saying the next big earthquake will cause California to turn on anarchy mode? I beg to differ. If other states can handle it, so can we.

The whole armageddon hype is just an excuse to collect/hoard guns. I can protect myself with a knife. I've watched plenty of Rambo.
i dont think an earthquake would bring on anarchy. it would take atleast a state wide power outage and some of the major metropolitan areas (la/oakland/sf)would have some chaos. the criminals would know theres no cops to call and could do what they want. people who keep all their money in the bank wouldnt be able to access their money and would have no access to supplies of any kind. i think it could happen but the chances of anything of that sort happening are slim to none.

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b) You ding the LEO, (with your obvious vast weapons training and experience beyond that of bart police) even though you would have used a gun rather than a tazer. You **** on your neighbor and tell him its rain?
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So Bart police shooting someone is bad, but you doing it isn't?
yes tommy you are correct, i have no "official police" gun tactical training but thats kind of my point. the difference between and citizen and an officer of the law is huge. Another part of my point is that he is a bart cop, not a regular cop. hes not responding to domestic violence calls or bank robberies or shots fired calls. he is keeping peace in a bart station. there have been multiple deals at the hands of bart police officers that could have been prevented by them them only have tazers. officer meserle wouldnt have mistaken his pistol for a tazer and killed a kid. and i never said it wouldnt be wrong for me to shoot someone else. i have an old school sort of mentality. if anyone means harm to me or anyone else for no reason i have no problem shooting or maiming them, and i would have no problem dealing with the consequences of my actions.
Old Jul 5, 2011 | 06:11 PM
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if anyone means harm to me or anyone else for no reason i have no problem shooting or maiming them, and i would have no problem dealing with the consequences of my actions.
Why can't an officer protect him or herself as well?
Old Jul 5, 2011 | 06:32 PM
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Why can't an officer protect him or herself as well?
Officer or not didn't we all learn about the importance of protection in health... You see that? See what I did there? Just made this sexual. You're welcome.

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Old Jul 5, 2011 | 07:19 PM
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i dont think an earthquake would bring on anarchy. it would take atleast a state wide power outage and some of the major metropolitan areas (la/oakland/sf)would have some chaos. the criminals would know theres no cops to call and could do what they want. people who keep all their money in the bank wouldnt be able to access their money and would have no access to supplies of any kind. i think it could happen but the chances of anything of that sort happening are slim to none.





yes tommy you are correct, i have no "official police" gun tactical training but thats kind of my point. the difference between and citizen and an officer of the law is huge. Another part of my point is that he is a bart cop, not a regular cop. hes not responding to domestic violence calls or bank robberies or shots fired calls. he is keeping peace in a bart station. there have been multiple deals at the hands of bart police officers that could have been prevented by them them only have tazers. officer meserle wouldnt have mistaken his pistol for a tazer and killed a kid. and i never said it wouldnt be wrong for me to shoot someone else. i have an old school sort of mentality. if anyone means harm to me or anyone else for no reason i have no problem shooting or maiming them, and i would have no problem dealing with the consequences of my actions.
Dude... BART cops are sworn police. They are not rent a cops. Oscar Grant was an *******. Had he acted like every other BART passenger NOTHING would have happened.

You think BART police sit on trains sipping jamba juice? They deal with robbery,fights car theft. Its not in your home.. but they still deal with it.
Old Jul 5, 2011 | 08:38 PM
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Dude... BART cops are sworn police. They are not rent a cops. Oscar Grant was an *******. Had he acted like every other BART passenger NOTHING would have happened.

You think BART police sit on trains sipping jamba juice? They deal with robbery,fights car theft. Its not in your home.. but they still deal with it.
lol jamba juice... try again



come to think of it that might actually explain the kneejerk reaction to pull out the gun instead of the taser. sugar rush 2 bart riders 0
Old Jul 5, 2011 | 09:23 PM
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Dude... BART cops are sworn police. They are not rent a cops. Oscar Grant was an *******. Had he acted like every other BART passenger NOTHING would have happened.

You think BART police sit on trains sipping jamba juice? They deal with robbery,fights car theft. Its not in your home.. but they still deal with it.
i know bart cops are sworn police but the bart police dont respond to the same things as a regular police officer. ive never to this day seen or even heard of a good reason for a bart officer to use a lethal weapon. and i agree oscar grant acted like an asshat, but did he need to die for acting like an asshat or would a thorough tazering have gotten the job done? i know there are robberies, fights and theft on bart, but unless its armed robbery there's no reason for a gun. i think they should have access to a gun if needed, but it shouldnt be on their hip. even in the case of a robbery, theft, or fight. would a tazer not effectively handle the situation? i mean if a guy is coming at me a with a knife and i have a tazer with a 25 foot cord attached, im clearly at the upper hand and can diffuse the situation without having to use lethal force.
Old Jul 5, 2011 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dub599
i know bart cops are sworn police but the bart police dont respond to the same things as a regular police officer. ive never to this day seen or even heard of a good reason for a bart officer to use a lethal weapon. and i agree oscar grant acted like an asshat, but did he need to die for acting like an asshat or would a thorough tazering have gotten the job done? i know there are robberies, fights and theft on bart, but unless its armed robbery there's no reason for a gun. i think they should have access to a gun if needed, but it shouldnt be on their hip. even in the case of a robbery, theft, or fight. would a tazer not effectively handle the situation? i mean if a guy is coming at me a with a knife and i have a tazer with a 25 foot cord attached, im clearly at the upper hand and can diffuse the situation without having to use lethal force.
Eh, if we shot every person in jail that'd save us a lot of money... and I have little to no sympathy for anyone in jail. Anyone with violent crimes should die. Anyone who has molested/raped anyone should die. Anyone who sells drugs should die, anyone tied to gangs should die. There should be 0 tolerance for stupidity, and 99% of jail is just breaking the law while knowing it.
Old Jul 6, 2011 | 09:04 AM
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Eh, if we shot every person in jail that'd save us a lot of money... and I have little to no sympathy for anyone in jail. Anyone with violent crimes should die. Anyone who has molested/raped anyone should die. Anyone who sells drugs should die, anyone tied to gangs should die. There should be 0 tolerance for stupidity, and 99% of jail is just breaking the law while knowing it.
Eventually- everyone will die, but it's a really good thing that you don't get to make the call of when, because apparently you have no sense of humanity whatsoever.

We already have a higher percentage of our population imprisoned than any other nation in the world, in fact we have a larger prison population that China or Russia, and while more than 90% of the civilized world gets by without capitol punishment, the US is sill killing people, and in far too many cases we are killing innocent people who've been wrongfully convicted.

All this talk about how scarey it is in countries where police don't back heat is complete BS and anyone whose actually visited London and new York can quickly tell you which city they feel safer in.

Zero tolerance for stupidity?

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Eventually- everyone will die, but it's a really good thing that you don't get to make the call of when, because apparently you have no sense of humanity whatsoever.

We already have a higher percentage of our population imprisoned than any other nation in the world, in fact we have a larger prison population that China or Russia, and while more than 90% of the civilized world gets by without capitol punishment, the US is sill killing people, and in far too many cases we are killing innocent people who've been wrongfully convicted.

All this talk about how scarey it is in countries where police don't back heat is complete BS and anyone whose actually visited London and new York can quickly tell you which city they feel safer in.

Zero tolerance for stupidity?

-right, be careful what you wish for...
I pay for safety, that's where our tax dollars should go. Not taking care of dude who murdered someone or someone who raped another person. These are the things that HUMANITY does not need.

It's funny how our system works. I work in corrections. I've seen people come off the streets with zero health care/dental/vision get incarcerated and get meds/dental/vision/acne cream and all the work ups. 3 balanced meals and a snack every day... FOR KILLING OR RAPING SOMEONE.

We pay for those nurses and doctors. I don't believe in this part of the system. Humane or not, there are hard working people out there that can't afford the healthcare.

Do what BART officer did and we'll be fine. Respect the law.



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