Air Injection Solenoids and why you get a CEL

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Old 04-03-2012, 09:56 AM
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Wouldn't the guage need to be hooked into the air injection system and not the header? Or a guage in both to make accurate observations?
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Cool test but where are you sampling from? I actually modified a block-off plate for this purpose but haven't had time to run the actual test. To run a really valid test for this, you would need to attach the gauge to the air pump port on the back of the head not directly to the header. Remember you could potentially have positive pressure in the actual exhaust manifold while still drawing a slight vacuum at the individual induction port. That's the whole point of the Venturi effect.

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Science is great when its applied properly, otherwise it can be very misleading

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Wouldn't the guage need to be hooked into the air injection system and not the header? Or a guage in both to make accurate observations?
You beat me to it

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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
Cool test but where are you sampling from? I actually modified a block-off plate for this purpose but haven't had time to run the actual test. To run a really valid test for this, you would need to attach the gauge to the air pump port on the back of the head not directly to the header. Remember you could potentially have positive pressure in the actual exhaust manifold while still drawing a slight vacuum at the individual induction port. That's the whole point of the Venturi effect.

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Its stated in the video "This gauge is connected to the driver's side AIR pump port and shows that the exhaust manifold is under pressure during normal engine operation." I had to look at the video from youtube's site to see that description.
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And I believe that Paul is planning a follow up test.

I would consider all of this a great exercise if you guys can get SOA to pay attention and fix the defect... or at least honor warranty repairs on them.








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Originally Posted by YFZ450Lynx
Its stated in the video "This gauge is connected to the driver's side AIR pump port and shows that the exhaust manifold is under pressure during normal engine operation." I had to look at the video from youtube's site to see that description.
Thanks for the clarification. I just read the title of the video without looking on Youtube directly. If it is actually hooked up to the air pump port, can we see a pic of how you hooked it up? Its a good test if that's the case.

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Originally Posted by YFZ450Lynx
Its stated in the video "This gauge is connected to the driver's side AIR pump port and shows that the exhaust manifold is under pressure during normal engine operation." I had to look at the video from youtube's site to see that description.
Ah. Makes sense now.
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Originally Posted by OneManArmy
I would consider all of this a great exercise if you guys can get SOA to pay attention and fix the defect... or at least honor warranty repairs on them.
Ya unfortunately this "scientific test" is only perpetuating their silly pissing contest
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Originally Posted by jdblock
Wouldn't the guage need to be hooked into the air injection system and not the header? Or a guage in both to make accurate observations?
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Cool test but where are you sampling from? I actually modified a block-off plate for this purpose but haven't had time to run the actual test. To run a really valid test for this, you would need to attach the gauge to the air pump port on the back of the head not directly to the header. Remember you could potentially have positive pressure in the actual exhaust manifold while still drawing a slight vacuum at the individual induction port. That's the whole point of the Venturi effect.

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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
Science is great when its applied properly, otherwise it can be very misleading

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Is this "correct" enough for you?

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Ya unfortunately this "scientific test" is only perpetuating their silly pissing contest
Because you never do things like that
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Doesn't look wrong.

Would be interesting to see what happens if you install the air-injection system and test above the solenoid. With a good solenoid and then a bad solenoid.

I can't see how Subaru can say it isn't smog related. CARB might be interested to look into this further.
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Originally Posted by jdblock
Doesn't look wrong.

Would be interesting to see what happens if you install the air-injection system and test above the solenoid. With a good solenoid and then a bad solenoid.
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I can't see how Subaru can say it isn't smog related. CARB might be interested to look into this further.
I see a lot of good information here. But in also believe that Subaru will go with what will cause them less money, to avoid paying mechanics forvwarranty work! But good stuff guys!
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Is this "correct" enough for you?

Not for me it isn't, everyone knows that blue hose will give skewed numbers!
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