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03-10-2003, 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by Akane'sRex
This type of comparison reminds me of home (Japan). The car Otakus always go to the extreme.
I like any type of fast cars because I like to drive fast. My old boyfriend back home always told me, "there is an entique when fast cars are involved. Always respect your opponent." I like to think if they are mean people they are mean because they lack something.......down there.......
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Bye-Bye
This type of comparison reminds me of home (Japan). The car Otakus always go to the extreme.
I like any type of fast cars because I like to drive fast. My old boyfriend back home always told me, "there is an entique when fast cars are involved. Always respect your opponent." I like to think if they are mean people they are mean because they lack something.......down there.......
.Bye-Bye
nice one
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03-11-2003, 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by Akane'sRex
This type of comparison reminds me of home (Japan). The car Otakus always go to the extreme.
I like any type of fast cars because I like to drive fast. My old boyfriend back home always told me, "there is an entique when fast cars are involved. Always respect your opponent." I like to think if they are mean people they are mean because they lack something.......down there........
Bye-Bye
This type of comparison reminds me of home (Japan). The car Otakus always go to the extreme.
I like any type of fast cars because I like to drive fast. My old boyfriend back home always told me, "there is an entique when fast cars are involved. Always respect your opponent." I like to think if they are mean people they are mean because they lack something.......down there.......
.Bye-Bye
.(='o'=)
=(,,)(,,)== Lack of what?
Just Kidding Good one though.
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03-11-2003, 03:26 PM
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That fool need to come to the UCKK meet and get hosed by every WRX there. Gagan will hose em in his 2.5RS! Heck I'll hose him in my 2.5RS!
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SRT4 MOPAR POWER TURBO BLAH BLAH... Its still a NEON!
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SRT4 MOPAR POWER TURBO BLAH BLAH... Its still a NEON!
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03-11-2003, 05:48 PM
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Okay I'm sorry!!
I didn't mean to insult any of you because obviously very smart people(although few) knew to buy a wrx which is a few thousand more than oh lets say the average mediocre compacts out there i.e, rsx type s, civic si , nissan spec v just to name a few. the suby is the clear obvious choice for a majority of smart comsumers looking for race car feel, not to mention durability tried and true. The srt-4 on the other hand is the clear underdog and personally I like it that way.
I 100% respect every wrx owner/2.5 rs sti... I was only and ONLY defending my srt-4 bretheren when you dudes decided to mash em because his driving skills appeared to suk! I wish all of you the best of luck that you never have to meet an srt-4 on the road(c'mon I gotta say sumthin!) anyway I will be getting the sti if I can sell my other new car I bougt because I have no patience... the sti will be the clear badass on the streets. Unofficial news about the mopar stages are there are 3 240/275/300 something like that the third will not be cali legal from the catalytic deletion I have read on the billboard regarding such. the 1st 2 stages will be factorybacked, not the third. Not counting labor I suspect the pricing to e : 1,500 2,500 and 3,000 just an estimate.
HOW does the car handle? *****in- car and driver 2002
I can tellyou little body roll'lean the wrx is still superior to it in that sense but like I said, I would race you on asphalt not a southern windy road, however my car after drifting would be able to throttle sooner than your car while you would turn sooner and quicker. In the east coast a tuner comany has ALREADY put out 784hp on the so called "its just a neon" ad. Anyway tell me why its a neon just like your wrx is only a 2.5rs??? to cut costs and for the car to hit dealers in a sooner than later scenario dodge kept the same dash unibody and body, adding ground skirts, rear wing new mug and a hoodscoop. Thus, everthing else is all srt-4, taking the 2.4inline 4 thats in the stratus and turbo charging to 15psi. why does it look ****ty to you?? the front of your wrx looks weaK the cheap lines into the body on the fenders?? or the 160whp I mean sure you can mod that but then we get into modding. You have cobb we have mopar. Cobb can bore out more liters and all that shat to what 500hp!!! thats great. All I was saying was the stock for stock B.S thats all. Take car and no I'm not a racer, but I love fast cars and the damn adrenaline it gives you. dont mean to clog uo your forum but I would hope that alteast 50% of the newbies out there can get reliable info , not the BS wel all seem to hear about from time to time I hope we do cross paths on the road sometime, and if you beat me guess what, thats cool lets me knowwhat I got and what I would need in the future anyways. peace and when you say It's just a neon I want you and every wrx owner out there to remember that the next time you get worked by the srt-4 the car that is NOt a neon but a car that is mostly seen in only one place, from the rear!!!
I 100% respect every wrx owner/2.5 rs sti... I was only and ONLY defending my srt-4 bretheren when you dudes decided to mash em because his driving skills appeared to suk! I wish all of you the best of luck that you never have to meet an srt-4 on the road(c'mon I gotta say sumthin!) anyway I will be getting the sti if I can sell my other new car I bougt because I have no patience... the sti will be the clear badass on the streets. Unofficial news about the mopar stages are there are 3 240/275/300 something like that the third will not be cali legal from the catalytic deletion I have read on the billboard regarding such. the 1st 2 stages will be factorybacked, not the third. Not counting labor I suspect the pricing to e : 1,500 2,500 and 3,000 just an estimate.
HOW does the car handle? *****in- car and driver 2002
I can tellyou little body roll'lean the wrx is still superior to it in that sense but like I said, I would race you on asphalt not a southern windy road, however my car after drifting would be able to throttle sooner than your car while you would turn sooner and quicker. In the east coast a tuner comany has ALREADY put out 784hp on the so called "its just a neon" ad. Anyway tell me why its a neon just like your wrx is only a 2.5rs??? to cut costs and for the car to hit dealers in a sooner than later scenario dodge kept the same dash unibody and body, adding ground skirts, rear wing new mug and a hoodscoop. Thus, everthing else is all srt-4, taking the 2.4inline 4 thats in the stratus and turbo charging to 15psi. why does it look ****ty to you?? the front of your wrx looks weaK the cheap lines into the body on the fenders?? or the 160whp I mean sure you can mod that but then we get into modding. You have cobb we have mopar. Cobb can bore out more liters and all that shat to what 500hp!!! thats great. All I was saying was the stock for stock B.S thats all. Take car and no I'm not a racer, but I love fast cars and the damn adrenaline it gives you. dont mean to clog uo your forum but I would hope that alteast 50% of the newbies out there can get reliable info , not the BS wel all seem to hear about from time to time I hope we do cross paths on the road sometime, and if you beat me guess what, thats cool lets me knowwhat I got and what I would need in the future anyways. peace and when you say It's just a neon I want you and every wrx owner out there to remember that the next time you get worked by the srt-4 the car that is NOt a neon but a car that is mostly seen in only one place, from the rear!!!
03-12-2003, 08:09 AM
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stock for stock? are u kidding? that is and always has been the dumbest argument on this board considering how many stock wrx are on it compared to modified (and even highly modified).
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03-12-2003, 12:57 PM
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automobile mag.
Has anyone seen the latest Automobile magazine? I can't guarantee this quote w/o having the article in front of me but it looked like they tested the SRT-4 at 5.7 0-60 and 14.2 in the 1/4 mile. I'll have to check on that, but I thought the numbers were very close to a stock WRX. I do recall the article noting that the Neon's HP rating is conservative...probably pushing 225 HP. I've seen lots of threads bashing the Neon and I've seen the video of the Neon taking it to the WRX, but it looks like on paper they have very similar performance specs. I guess my point here is that these cars seem fairly close in performance and therefore the driver might be the deciding factor in a duel.
03-13-2003, 06:42 PM
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03-13-2003, 07:39 PM
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Re: Okay I'm sorry!!
Originally posted by SRTdriven
Anyway tell me why its a neon just like your wrx is only a 2.5rs??? to cut costs and for the car to hit dealers in a sooner than later scenario dodge kept the same dash unibody and body, adding ground skirts, rear wing new mug and a hoodscoop. Thus, everthing else is all srt-4, taking the 2.4inline 4 thats in the stratus and turbo charging to 15psi.
Anyway tell me why its a neon just like your wrx is only a 2.5rs??? to cut costs and for the car to hit dealers in a sooner than later scenario dodge kept the same dash unibody and body, adding ground skirts, rear wing new mug and a hoodscoop. Thus, everthing else is all srt-4, taking the 2.4inline 4 thats in the stratus and turbo charging to 15psi.
) On a real ROAD, not STREET (where there are a lot of reasons not to be racing, and if you don't know them I can't make you understand here) a stock WRX will stomp anything made by Chrysler short of a Viper. a road is one that doesn't follow many straight lines, is sparsely traveled, and is generally considered a good place to wring out your car. Good pavement or bad, your SRT-4 is not built to get from Point A to Point B as fast as it is when point B is 1/4 away. The lack of a limited slip speaks volumes about what the Dodge engineers wanted to get out of the car. Car and Driver? Didn't they get a 5.7 0-60 for the SRT-4? Wow. I'm blown away. They are only .1 SLOWER than their WRX. Trap speed? Again, as every single person posting here has said, the Neon has the advantage in the quarter. But when are you going to be running at those speeds against a WRX? Or anything else for that matter? Hopefully never if you drive any roads near me. So, let's conclude.
__________Neon SRT-4_______Impreza WRX___
1/4 mile times:____X___________________________
Price:____________X___________________________
Value:______________________________X________
Handling:____________________________X________
Comfort:_____________________________X________
Resale Value:_________________________X________
Aftermarket:__________________________X________
Utility/Convenience:____________________X________
I'll take my RS, thanks.
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03-13-2003, 08:32 PM
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Oh, dont forget:
lets see
Neon srt-4 (as you call it)
1.) my car is able to accelerate past 100mph tops out @ 153(documented)
2.) Nobody races to 60, 1/4 time is better,
3.) My interior doesnt say momo or have cool pedals but comfort No! my seats are Better hands down no cheap stitching here bro. awesome bolsters for support....
4.) 250 foot pounds of torque@ the wheels , sure no LSD and everyone complains about torque steer but c'mon lets start using some free weights or curling bars. cheese!! who complains about torque steer, weak little ****s!!
5.) IMO the wrx looks like a chicks car, so does a neon, NOt the srt-4 the very sight and sound of an srt-4 has had a total of 4 wrx (turbos sorry) owners break their necks and then try to ignore me and NEVEr want to race unless they are with their chick then they have to race. I am sure that vish'nu will take my srt4 but not a prodrive stage 3 no way. When I get my LSD unit, then i can see the vish ( i think thats what you call it shiv Lol!)'
6.) resale value XX wrong again with the limited production, inaguaral edition they will at best appreciate in value 5,000 this year as the evo8 (another joke of a car 180whp!)
7.) better system better amperage rating(big deal)
8.) You WOULD kickj my *** in handling if it weren;t for your ****ty stock tires!! my tires are pilots Z rated and help make up for substancially anyway for your AWD but when you factor your true hp and your big heavy *** weight you get a better hp to weight ratio on my car. ( even though I have to conceed that the rex has AWD and can out corner most cars out there)
9.) after markt XXX NOpe!! with mopar producing 3 stages of upgrades the top one tops out @ 300/300@ the friggin wheels.anyway that can potentially smoke the new sti( I said potential well have to wait and see because I am first in line to get an sti and they will be here in one week!)
10.)THIS is not a 2.0 liter powered neon with cute looks. Its an agressive badass ride that cannot be argued It is an srt-4 built only using the unibosy structure as the neon but internals are all performance driven ! Oil squirter for the pistons to cool them I mean they developed this car and ran em before they hit postproduction to arrive in the dealerships. for 25,000NO I would get a wrx BUT for 19,995 hmmm let see hear
11.) VALUE =srt 4
12.) PRICE =srt-4 NOT a wrx nor a 2.5rs
what do you look for in a car ? an interior? the ability to resell your car you love so much? the endless utilities that ensue you with convenience?? okay. I'll tell you what if I was a rally cross driver Id get the wrc sure I would. but on the damn asphalt is where you and I will meet, so the srt-4is the way 2 go. I live in sunny cali not fresno or reno okay. I dont need awd and I do not race in rain! the sub is badass I admit it BUT for those who want camaro Z28-esque performance they will get an srt-4 if they want a heavy but spohisticated AWD system with the convenience and the vast utilities avail ( I cant even think of one_) then by all means get a sub.
I test drove every single car out there with 200 plus HP and the clear and affordable winner is the srt-4...
I think it was very STUPID of you to include **** like resale value and "utlity" what a friggin joke bro, do you have to think about everything in the arsenal just to beat the srt-4 because your drivetrain cannot edge out the srt-s
are your cupholders big enough to handle aboos 64 double gulp?? are your door moldings made of 100% genuine vinyl? okay you got me. I have cheapy plastic, right? well I bought my car because its badd****ingass brother, not for luxury, thats why I have my acura cl type s anyway you got a nice car, its not great but clearly exceptional without a doubt. take care but I mean just because my car is faster ( and trust me thats what driving a damn car is all about the POWER not the cupholders) it dont mean you need to bring up factors that do NOT help state your case, of course you 'll take your 2.5 rs you own the damn thing I bet you say that when you see a wrx drive by, right, "i'll take my r.s" okay I'll take my srt-4 and work you and have fun doing it then for all you MODDED people out there M.O.P.A.R
( MOVE OVER PEOPLE ARE RACING) I'll upgrade to a factory backed 275hp @ the wheels and really smoke you and your sti, when I add the LSD unit okay then for all you cobb tuning peeps I'll post my number all over so we can meet and when or if lost its all good because its all about fun, no personal jokes or insults, just fun the clear winner and wrx killer srt-4 BTW using the word LOGIC please I dare you to reply with an intellectual response because the "just a neon dude or hey, god what a blah blah blah because you cannot dispute the facts I wrote late-
Neon srt-4 (as you call it)
1.) my car is able to accelerate past 100mph tops out @ 153(documented)
2.) Nobody races to 60, 1/4 time is better,
3.) My interior doesnt say momo or have cool pedals but comfort No! my seats are Better hands down no cheap stitching here bro. awesome bolsters for support....
4.) 250 foot pounds of torque@ the wheels , sure no LSD and everyone complains about torque steer but c'mon lets start using some free weights or curling bars. cheese!! who complains about torque steer, weak little ****s!!
5.) IMO the wrx looks like a chicks car, so does a neon, NOt the srt-4 the very sight and sound of an srt-4 has had a total of 4 wrx (turbos sorry) owners break their necks and then try to ignore me and NEVEr want to race unless they are with their chick then they have to race. I am sure that vish'nu will take my srt4 but not a prodrive stage 3 no way. When I get my LSD unit, then i can see the vish ( i think thats what you call it shiv Lol!)'
6.) resale value XX wrong again with the limited production, inaguaral edition they will at best appreciate in value 5,000 this year as the evo8 (another joke of a car 180whp!)
7.) better system better amperage rating(big deal)
8.) You WOULD kickj my *** in handling if it weren;t for your ****ty stock tires!! my tires are pilots Z rated and help make up for substancially anyway for your AWD but when you factor your true hp and your big heavy *** weight you get a better hp to weight ratio on my car. ( even though I have to conceed that the rex has AWD and can out corner most cars out there)
9.) after markt XXX NOpe!! with mopar producing 3 stages of upgrades the top one tops out @ 300/300@ the friggin wheels.anyway that can potentially smoke the new sti( I said potential well have to wait and see because I am first in line to get an sti and they will be here in one week!)
10.)THIS is not a 2.0 liter powered neon with cute looks. Its an agressive badass ride that cannot be argued It is an srt-4 built only using the unibosy structure as the neon but internals are all performance driven ! Oil squirter for the pistons to cool them I mean they developed this car and ran em before they hit postproduction to arrive in the dealerships. for 25,000NO I would get a wrx BUT for 19,995 hmmm let see hear
11.) VALUE =srt 4
12.) PRICE =srt-4 NOT a wrx nor a 2.5rs
what do you look for in a car ? an interior? the ability to resell your car you love so much? the endless utilities that ensue you with convenience?? okay. I'll tell you what if I was a rally cross driver Id get the wrc sure I would. but on the damn asphalt is where you and I will meet, so the srt-4is the way 2 go. I live in sunny cali not fresno or reno okay. I dont need awd and I do not race in rain! the sub is badass I admit it BUT for those who want camaro Z28-esque performance they will get an srt-4 if they want a heavy but spohisticated AWD system with the convenience and the vast utilities avail ( I cant even think of one_) then by all means get a sub.
I test drove every single car out there with 200 plus HP and the clear and affordable winner is the srt-4...
I think it was very STUPID of you to include **** like resale value and "utlity" what a friggin joke bro, do you have to think about everything in the arsenal just to beat the srt-4 because your drivetrain cannot edge out the srt-s
are your cupholders big enough to handle aboos 64 double gulp?? are your door moldings made of 100% genuine vinyl? okay you got me. I have cheapy plastic, right? well I bought my car because its badd****ingass brother, not for luxury, thats why I have my acura cl type s anyway you got a nice car, its not great but clearly exceptional without a doubt. take care but I mean just because my car is faster ( and trust me thats what driving a damn car is all about the POWER not the cupholders) it dont mean you need to bring up factors that do NOT help state your case, of course you 'll take your 2.5 rs you own the damn thing I bet you say that when you see a wrx drive by, right, "i'll take my r.s" okay I'll take my srt-4 and work you and have fun doing it then for all you MODDED people out there M.O.P.A.R
( MOVE OVER PEOPLE ARE RACING) I'll upgrade to a factory backed 275hp @ the wheels and really smoke you and your sti, when I add the LSD unit okay then for all you cobb tuning peeps I'll post my number all over so we can meet and when or if lost its all good because its all about fun, no personal jokes or insults, just fun the clear winner and wrx killer srt-4 BTW using the word LOGIC please I dare you to reply with an intellectual response because the "just a neon dude or hey, god what a blah blah blah because you cannot dispute the facts I wrote late-
03-13-2003, 09:15 PM
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Well, I was approved for a loan on the SRT-4. I like it, but after seeing my Stratus's decline (It's falling apar!) after 80k miles (Same motor, but N/A) I am having second thoughts.
They look like a toy to me. I was checking them out. I got a quote from Hayward Dodges fleet manager for 19700. I may take it for 19000+ tax license and docs.
It is for my wife by the way. Which color, silver, or black? I like Yellow, but I like my ticketless record, and red is just fugly IMO.
Andy
They look like a toy to me. I was checking them out. I got a quote from Hayward Dodges fleet manager for 19700. I may take it for 19000+ tax license and docs.
It is for my wife by the way. Which color, silver, or black? I like Yellow, but I like my ticketless record, and red is just fugly IMO.
Andy
03-13-2003, 09:21 PM
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Responses, in order:
1) A civic DX will go 100 mph. Big freakin deal, that has little value in a world populated by other vehicles and authority figures. Save that one for the track and deserted highways in places like South Dakota.
2)Nobody races to 60? What the hell do you call a freeway on-ramp? Are you saying that you hit your trap speed between stoplights? 0-60 from a standing stop is every bit as valid as the 1/4 mile time.
3)Your seats may very well be better. But the remainder of your cars interior is crap.
4)So, what, torque steer builds character or something?
5)Nobody mentions style because it is completely subjective and impossible to quantify. Nobody can win this argument.
6)WTF are you smoking? APPRECIATE???? Dude, hate to break it to you, but as soon as those cars do what Neons do (which is break) your resale value is going to plummet. And that is not because my car is ever going to be voluntarily sold (not gonna happen) but in the event of collision, theft, etc., who is gonna get more of their cash back to buy another one?
7)Yes. Big deal.
8)On a tight course my RS with 170 CRANK horsepower will outrun your Neon. If you don't believe me, ask the guys here with 110 hp L's that win their class in autocross. All this in spite of the fact my car is heavier than yours. And what does power/weight ratio have to do with handling?
9)Mopar stage 3... great. What else you got? I have Vishnu, Cobb, Prodrive, MRT, AVO, Whiteline, and of course STi just for starters. Where do you go for world class coilovers? How many big brake kits do you have to choose from? Gearsets? Adjustable strut tops? Headers (oh yeah... you can't)...how bout the small stuff, like anti-lift kits? Shifter bushings? Adjustable control arms? anti-roll bars in every possible necessary size? Aftermarket does not equal more horsepower.
10)Blah blah not a 2.0 blah blah aggressive unibody blah blah oil squirters (a WRX is so equipped) blah blah blah. Your economy rental car chassis is superior to the one Prodrive uses to build its World Championship winning rally cars? Interesting.
11) You have a $12,000 car with a $5,000 engine that costs $20,000. A WRX is a $19,000 car with a $5,000 engine that MSRPs for $24,000. Do the math.
12) Price- a Neon turbo costs $20,000. A WRX retails for $24,000 but can be had for $21,500. A neon is cheaper. What was your rebuttal there?
Apparently you forgot how to count past 12, so I'll refrain from embarrassing you by switching to letters.
A)What do I look for in a car? Everything. Don't you? I mean, if comfort is not important to you, why are you riding a CBR? It'll spank you in the 1/4 and costs half as much. Oh, I see, you need a car so you can move something bigger than a backpack from one place to another, and other people as well. Sunny cali? Same here Bubb. I've never driven in snow. I'd still rather have AWD than the ability to do peg-leg burnouts. Z28-esque performance? If I wanted that, I'd buy a Z28. Go tell a Camaro SS owner that you have a muscle car too. They'll laugh you off the track.
B) Every 200+ hp car? Really? You must have been tired after that. Not to mention the little Freudian slip there- "clear and affordable winner." Yes, your car is the cheapest available with 200 hp. But it is far from the best, even in it's price range.
C) Everything in the arsenal huh? The real question is, why do you keep going back to the damn quarter mile? is your driveway at one end of a drag strip or what? As far as utility... yeah. My car is capable of serving a purpose other than racing. If yours doesn't need to, why didn't you get a true sports car with little to no utility like an MR2 or an S2000? Because you NEED utility to some degree. Can you put four 6 foot tall people in your car and drive 75 miles without them hating you? I can. Does your head scrape the roof when your car is equipped with a sun/moonroof? Mine doesn't, and I'm 6'2".
D)Crap. I can't hold a double gulp in my cup holder. You got me there. Add a second point to the Neon's total.
E)Driving is not solely about the power your car has. If that were the case, why would you buy a 225 hp Neon when you have a 260 hp Acura?
F)I'll take my RS for all the reasons I have stated in the last two posts. I spent 4 months comparing every vehicle under $25,000 before buying it. In fact, I had never even touched/sat in/driven a Subaru prior to walking on the lot to test drive one (which I subsequently bought).
G) Great, go get your Mopar 300 hp. I'll take my Ludespeed Turbo and some i-Speed tuning and meet you on any track, anytime.
H)Cars have nothing to do with logic. If so, we'd all be driving Civic hybrids.
Now stop blathering on this SUBARU message board about your car. We admitted the obvious truth that your car is faster. Now admit the equally apparent truth that our cars are BETTER.
1) A civic DX will go 100 mph. Big freakin deal, that has little value in a world populated by other vehicles and authority figures. Save that one for the track and deserted highways in places like South Dakota.
2)Nobody races to 60? What the hell do you call a freeway on-ramp? Are you saying that you hit your trap speed between stoplights? 0-60 from a standing stop is every bit as valid as the 1/4 mile time.
3)Your seats may very well be better. But the remainder of your cars interior is crap.
4)So, what, torque steer builds character or something?
5)Nobody mentions style because it is completely subjective and impossible to quantify. Nobody can win this argument.
6)WTF are you smoking? APPRECIATE???? Dude, hate to break it to you, but as soon as those cars do what Neons do (which is break) your resale value is going to plummet. And that is not because my car is ever going to be voluntarily sold (not gonna happen) but in the event of collision, theft, etc., who is gonna get more of their cash back to buy another one?
7)Yes. Big deal.
8)On a tight course my RS with 170 CRANK horsepower will outrun your Neon. If you don't believe me, ask the guys here with 110 hp L's that win their class in autocross. All this in spite of the fact my car is heavier than yours. And what does power/weight ratio have to do with handling?
9)Mopar stage 3... great. What else you got? I have Vishnu, Cobb, Prodrive, MRT, AVO, Whiteline, and of course STi just for starters. Where do you go for world class coilovers? How many big brake kits do you have to choose from? Gearsets? Adjustable strut tops? Headers (oh yeah... you can't)...how bout the small stuff, like anti-lift kits? Shifter bushings? Adjustable control arms? anti-roll bars in every possible necessary size? Aftermarket does not equal more horsepower.
10)Blah blah not a 2.0 blah blah aggressive unibody blah blah oil squirters (a WRX is so equipped) blah blah blah. Your economy rental car chassis is superior to the one Prodrive uses to build its World Championship winning rally cars? Interesting.
11) You have a $12,000 car with a $5,000 engine that costs $20,000. A WRX is a $19,000 car with a $5,000 engine that MSRPs for $24,000. Do the math.
12) Price- a Neon turbo costs $20,000. A WRX retails for $24,000 but can be had for $21,500. A neon is cheaper. What was your rebuttal there?
Apparently you forgot how to count past 12, so I'll refrain from embarrassing you by switching to letters.
A)What do I look for in a car? Everything. Don't you? I mean, if comfort is not important to you, why are you riding a CBR? It'll spank you in the 1/4 and costs half as much. Oh, I see, you need a car so you can move something bigger than a backpack from one place to another, and other people as well. Sunny cali? Same here Bubb. I've never driven in snow. I'd still rather have AWD than the ability to do peg-leg burnouts. Z28-esque performance? If I wanted that, I'd buy a Z28. Go tell a Camaro SS owner that you have a muscle car too. They'll laugh you off the track.
B) Every 200+ hp car? Really? You must have been tired after that. Not to mention the little Freudian slip there- "clear and affordable winner." Yes, your car is the cheapest available with 200 hp. But it is far from the best, even in it's price range.
C) Everything in the arsenal huh? The real question is, why do you keep going back to the damn quarter mile? is your driveway at one end of a drag strip or what? As far as utility... yeah. My car is capable of serving a purpose other than racing. If yours doesn't need to, why didn't you get a true sports car with little to no utility like an MR2 or an S2000? Because you NEED utility to some degree. Can you put four 6 foot tall people in your car and drive 75 miles without them hating you? I can. Does your head scrape the roof when your car is equipped with a sun/moonroof? Mine doesn't, and I'm 6'2".
D)Crap. I can't hold a double gulp in my cup holder. You got me there. Add a second point to the Neon's total.
E)Driving is not solely about the power your car has. If that were the case, why would you buy a 225 hp Neon when you have a 260 hp Acura?
F)I'll take my RS for all the reasons I have stated in the last two posts. I spent 4 months comparing every vehicle under $25,000 before buying it. In fact, I had never even touched/sat in/driven a Subaru prior to walking on the lot to test drive one (which I subsequently bought).
G) Great, go get your Mopar 300 hp. I'll take my Ludespeed Turbo and some i-Speed tuning and meet you on any track, anytime.
H)Cars have nothing to do with logic. If so, we'd all be driving Civic hybrids.
Now stop blathering on this SUBARU message board about your car. We admitted the obvious truth that your car is faster. Now admit the equally apparent truth that our cars are BETTER.
Last edited by Kevin M; 03-13-2003 at 09:38 PM.
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Originally posted by BADWRX
Well, I was approved for a loan on the SRT-4. I like it, but after seeing my Stratus's decline (It's falling apar!) after 80k miles (Same motor, but N/A) I am having second thoughts.
They look like a toy to me. I was checking them out. I got a quote from Hayward Dodges fleet manager for 19700. I may take it for 19000+ tax license and docs.
It is for my wife by the way. Which color, silver, or black? I like Yellow, but I like my ticketless record, and red is just fugly IMO.
Andy
Well, I was approved for a loan on the SRT-4. I like it, but after seeing my Stratus's decline (It's falling apar!) after 80k miles (Same motor, but N/A) I am having second thoughts.
They look like a toy to me. I was checking them out. I got a quote from Hayward Dodges fleet manager for 19700. I may take it for 19000+ tax license and docs.
It is for my wife by the way. Which color, silver, or black? I like Yellow, but I like my ticketless record, and red is just fugly IMO.
Andy
hahahahahahahaj/k don't kill me yet! hahahaha
-freddie
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