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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dub2w
I would guess that atheists get peeved when they hear people of different faiths espouse their individual religion as being the "right" way to think or the right thing to believe in. True?

Not true for me. The reason I get peeved is when people who are religious try to convert people. That and the centuries of wars and problems the establishments of religion have caused for the world.

I would have NO problem with any religion if the people who believed it kept it to themselves. Unfortunatly religion is parasitic and must find new recruits constantly to maintain itself.
Old Dec 5, 2005 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dub2w
And this is exactly why I think evolution should not be the sole explanation taught in schools. It is a hypothesis of how things may have unfolded. There is no irrefutable evidence that macro-evolution is absolute fact.
I'd even take that a step further. I think that evolution should be taught alongside the theories that Christianity, Islam, Norse and Greek mythology espouse.
Old Dec 5, 2005 | 02:06 PM
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...so you trust religious texts and myths as much as you trust a theory that has tons and tons of evidence for it? Wow...



Seriously...why do people think the theory of evolution is based on fuzzy science? There is SOOO much evidence in favor of it...


There isn't even any proof that gravity is absolute fact...that's the thing about science, you can never proove anything is true 100% of the time. That's why they are theories. But it's still the best system we have for expanding the knowledge base of our society.


Here's a decent resource. I have better ones, but they won't link because you need a PubMed database account to access them (they're in journals so you can't just get them free...)

http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm


Another decent source for evidence of evolution, but a long and arduous read:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/


The only reason evolution is not as accepted as gravity or quantum mechanics is because it offends the religious sensibilities of a huge number of people.

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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dub2w
If so, mull this over. Atheists do the exact same thing. They have faith that their is no transcendental being. Atheism in and of itself is a faith that no such thing exists, and atheists are positive in their position. Indeed, they believe that they are 100% correct, otherwise they would be agnostic. So the very thing that irks atheists is an inherent aspect of their own "faith".
I think MVWRX hit it on the head. Atheists, in my experience don't try to convert people to atheism the way religions try to convert people. There is some truth in dubs statement about faith in evolution, I believe in it although I haven't actually done the experiments, I take for granted that Carbon dating and whatnot are valid because they are repeatable by unrelated scientists but it could be an extremely elaborate farce (like the moon landing..jk). The difference here is that if I saw some real evidence of a supreme being - miracles that defy the laws of physics, burning bush talking to me - I would rethink my views; most 'faithful' religious people do not rethink their views in the face of massive evidence (of course if they did they wouldn't have much faith...sticky).

On the topic of ID, here is another interesting link to an article about how even in religious colleges ID has little support. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/04/we...ew/04good.html You know nobody thinks ID should be taught in higher education so I don't know why there is any question about teaching it in high school where it would just ill-equip students for college.
Old Dec 5, 2005 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
...so you trust religious texts and myths as much as you trust a theory that has tons and tons of evidence for it? Wow...
No. That's my point. I trust science and medicine about as much as I trust mythology (ie. the bible)

Originally Posted by MVWRX
Seriously...why do people think the theory of evolution is based on fuzzy science? There is SOOO much evidence in favor of it...


There isn't even any proof that gravity is absolute fact...that's the thing about science, you can never proove anything is true 100% of the time. That's why they are theories. But it's still the best system we have for expanding the knowledge base of our society.
You didn't even use a smiley.

You've limited yourself to the same nearsightedness of the rest of the world.

Do I have to spell it out? My name is Deus. Science is my own clever little parlor trick to appease mankind. All I have to do is rig the conditions so scientific 'results' will be reproduceable 99.999% of the time and you're sold.

Old Dec 5, 2005 | 08:20 PM
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Interesting article from NYT but not all that revealing.

I have to confess that I have been playing the role of polemic. My Christian faith has facets that embrace certain aspects of earlier Christian scholars: namely, the Bible is filled with intended symbolism. I view Adam and Eve as a symbolic story or message that has a specific purpose. I don't believe that God created the world in 7 actual days, etc...

I do, however, believe that God transcends space / time. The scientific version of both the inception of life on Earth and the creation of the universe doesn't jive with me. And it is in this respect that I give God His due.
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 01:10 AM
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In my humble oppinion you can not compare faith to science. It is apples to orange.
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by gpatmac
No. That's my point. I trust science and medicine about as much as I trust mythology (ie. the bible)

Then you, sir, are past the point of help.
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Then you, sir, are past the point of help.
I figured that was apparent months ago.

And you don't have to call me sir, you humans can only pronounce my name as askfja;lj:LLKJSAa;lkjd.
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