What Mach5WRX suggests isn't based on **** Germany...

Many countries have mandatory military and/or community service just to support their forces. Subaruguru just got back from visiting a friend in Singapore serving a mandatory 2 years.

The problem with most countries, like Singapore, is you can only serve in the armed forces as a male adult without the option of anything else.

I can only think or positives side-effects for a mandatory military -or- community service term.

It makes me laugh when people pitch the "freedom of choice, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" phrase like their freedom didn't cost anything. People spit this out so effortlessly as they coat the buttons of their remote control with cheeto goo.

I'm not saying everyone needs to grab an M4... maybe grab a ladle and serve some soup at the local shelter.

 

Why?

 

Ya know what, this is all BS.
Your right to vote is God given. You should have to do anything to express that right except be an adult and an American.
My idea about taxes was stupid. I was trying to make a point about our unjust tax system and forgot that two wrongs don't make a right.

 

Careful, FUNKED1...

As much as I agree with you on a lot of issues you're treading on thin ice by saying this.

This is the exact "freedom is given to me by default" attitude that can get a lot of people in trouble.

 

God gives out the right to vote? I thought the constitution did that. . .

 

I did my five years in the military thanks. The main reason I did it was because I felt it was something I should do for my country. But if you don't want to do it you shouldn't have too thats the whole point our country was founded on. Every country that requires mandatory service from its citizens is either to small to matter or under a communist regime. You can't force Americans to do anything. Have any of you guys taken a step back and looked at what your typing? You're trampling all over anyone who even mildly disagrees with you and plastering them with the Un American label.

 

Good for you!

I haven't trampled over anyone, thank you. As much as I hate to agree with you(which I do), imagine all the positives that would come to our youth with the choice of military -or- community service straight out of highschool for 2 years. It would give everyone a better understanding of how live is on the other side of the fence, give our youth something constructive to do with their time and influence selfless service.

The sky's the limit... how are these thought so "un-American"? Do we, as Americans, want the exact opposite?

 

The Constitution does not give us rights. The state does not give us rights.
God, the creator, whatever you want to call it - We are born with our rights. This is one of the most important founding principles of our nation, straight out of the Declaration of Independence. All the Constitution did was to establish a government that would allow us to enjoy those rights. To deny adults the right to vote based on an arbitrary measure like taxes or military service is at odds with this principle.

 

Most people think.......It's a likeness for the state of mind of the war between Japan and the United States during World War II.

Heinlein made a Sparta like world not a **** world.

Robert A. Heinlein was a midshipman at the U.S Naval Academy and was a junior officer who served on aircraft carrier USS Lexington......not a ****.


oh well.....Salty when do the "armbands" that we ordered come in?....

 

w3rd....and I think that half of the "tour of community service duty" should be done overseas helping 3rd world places.(peace corp like) Think how much that would help the 18-20 years mature, grow, appreciate the world and US community. They would come home with a better understanding of the world and would appreciate even the small things that make the US great.

I could go on but it's a waste of time no one cares, I'm just a ****...

 

I think that a mandatory 2 year service is unfair. Some people are very motivated self starters. They get out of HS with dreams and aspirations. They work hard and go to school. I think that a delayof 2 years could be detrimental for some people. Doctors and Lawyers and many other professions have to endure school for anywhere from 8-14 years. If they got out of school and had two years til they started school for their chosen profession they might be in their mid to late thirties before they found a good job. Also that 2 years may discourage them as well. I think that some people are resposible are doing their duty toward their country by contributing to "Free Enterprise" the basis for the US economy and what keeps America running. This is very substansial and should not be over looked. Military service is great just not for every one.

 

Heinlein did base on **** germany as a cautionary tale and so what if he was in the Navy, so was L. Ron Hubbard

 

Really, so I suppose the "Bill of Rights" is just a sham then. . . nowhere in the bible or torah (I can't speak for the koran as I do not know) does it talk about the right to vote. Does God determine when you've reached "adult" status and therefore are allowed to vote. . . don't get me wrong, right's are right's and shouldn't be violated, I just don't think God has anything to do with the right to vote.

 

You are getting hung up on the God thing. The point is we are born with rights.
The Bill of Rights doesn't not grant us those rights. It merely attempts to enumerate those rights and establish a government which will secure them.

 

you started the "God thing." The Bill of Rights spells out what rights are protected under the law, if you were born in Uganda, Somalia, or any one of countless other nations you wouldn't have said rights. . .