Originally Posted by irrational x

if god is so infinitely loving and merciful why does he allow children, especially his followers, to suffer so much.

Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned

Yes, God is actually a Magical Queer Carbon Monster.

Originally Posted by DetailAddict

this is my personal opinion... first is control, this is the difference between us and other beings. He knows the ending and the score, but it's up to us to play it out. Most if not all these suffering are caused by human.

Originally Posted by irrational x

cancer is caused by humans? earthquakes? tsunamiis?

Originally Posted by irrational x

yah, im right and you're all wrong


wait thats their possition....

Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned

Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned

Yes, God is actually a Magical Queer Carbon Monster.

Originally Posted by ipozestu

Fixed

You were wrong.

Originally Posted by irrational x

its a valid question and no one has answered it yet. if god is so infinitely loving and merciful why does he allow children, especially his followers, to suffer so much.

Originally Posted by Irish_car_B0mb

i only read half of the post.

this is my 2 cents

#1 Jesus was an actual person, they know he existed, he was a real man. The debate is whether he was really the son of god.

#2 No one can prove or disprove god, just like no one can prove that evolution is real. Its what one group claims against another.

Some people can find similarities in one animal to the next to prove evolution, some people can show of one miracle or happening to prove God exist.

This is where the word FAITH comes in. Either you have it or you dont.

Just in my own point of view i look at it like this:

On the religious side, sayign that God is real:

God Created heaven and the stars takes 7 days to create everything, boom Earth.

My only thign to say to that is maybe it wasnt 7 literal days. Maybe one day was 1 billion years. No where does it say 24 hours was a day.

What if God made everything so ****ing complicated so that it could never be proven whether he exists or not. Maybe he didnt want people to have the simple answer. So he decided to make it so either people have FAITH he exist or they dont. He gives people reason to doubt, or they can continue to believe and after they die they pay off is there. or if he isnt real you end up in the ground.

And people say "why did God let 9/11 happen or this tragedy or that?"

why blame it on God, how do you know it wasnt the evil force at work that made that happen. It is said that God does not control free will, thats one of the gifts we have is to make our own decisions.

I look at it like this, and i know it sounds crazy, but this is how i make sense of it. God and Satan are playing poker, God whens some bets, he loses some bets, when he loses satan gets to do whatever horrible thing he wants, tsunami in the east, 9/11 in the US, etc. etc.

ok but now when God win good things happen. Plane crashes in the hudson, everyone survives. baby falls 22 feet from a balcony and has minor injuries.

think about how complex things are though,

The human Body for example, our bodies are such awesome functioning "machines" that when we feel pain our bodies create its own natural pain killer, when we get sick our bodies have there own defenses to fight it off. look how complicated our arteries and vein highway systems are. the Brain, look how complex that thing is. hwo can you say there wasnt another acting force.

now the other side.

Evolution

Big Bang happens. atoms collide, dust and bacteria fly from a distant planet, react to the preferable climate of earth and like starts from a single cell.

Animals evolve, structures of life become more complicated as the animals and plants grow. presto life on earth

Natural disasters happen cuz they happen. The earth tries to natrually keep its self stable. Horrible man made tragedies happen cuz they happen.

ok, thats fine and there is proof on that end that those same things happen. but like religion there are many things that cant be proven either.

evolution is a bit believeable also, the only thing that is a far stretch for me is the big bang theory.

all matter in the universe is compacted to something that is smaller than a period at the end of a sentence and it magically becomes the universe we know to this day. seems a bit of a stretch to me, i personally believe a greater force got the ball rolling.

and IMHO: the big bang is a cop out for people that cant prove or have faith that something else started everything, doesnt have to be spiritual, just has to be something better than "it wasnt and then it was just because", i know someone will say that technically the religious route, but at least that has someone (God) making everything not things just creating themselves spontaneously.

I dont go to church, i used to, i just have more own personal relationship with a higher power. and as wocain said, i have seen and experienced my own personal things to believe that perhaps "the big man" does indeed exist.

Originally Posted by irrational x

dbtuned (9:33:40 AM): IX!
dbtuned (9:33:46 AM): Are you there?
IrrationalX (9:33:50 AM): yes
dbtuned (9:34:06 AM): This is God
dbtuned (9:34:12 AM): and I do exist
IrrationalX (9:34:18 AM): OMG
IrrationalX (9:34:43 AM): i love you jesus
dbtuned (9:34:54 AM): I know that
dbtuned (9:34:59 AM): BTW
dbtuned (9:35:06 AM): I killed your mom
dbtuned (9:35:08 AM):
dbtuned (9:35:17 AM): sorry
IrrationalX (9:35:16 AM): i just lol'd on the phone with someone
IrrationalX (9:35:20 AM): GJ
IrrationalX (9:35:20 AM): god can i post this in a discussion on the internet?
dbtuned (9:36:16 AM): i don't care
IrrationalX (9:36:34 AM): ya rly youre god
IrrationalX (9:36:45 AM): any excuse to smite a *****....
dbtuned (9:37:06 AM): I kill for fun
dbtuned (9:37:14 AM): It gets lonely up here