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"John McCain draws on experience to out-debate barack obama" london telegraph
"obama...seemed rattled by mccains attacks which were sharp" london telegraph
"mccain shows strength in experience" detroit free press
"mccain showed his knowledge and proved his readiness to lead" rochester democrat and chronicle
"john mccain wins first debate on points" new york daily news
"mccain gives obama 'a bit of a thrashing' in first debate" gwinnett daily online
drudge report poll "who won the first debate?"
65% mccain
33%obama
2%neither
foxnews 82% to 18% (yes i know fox hates obama, okay?)
funny what 5minutes of research can do.
"obama...seemed rattled by mccains attacks which were sharp" london telegraph
"mccain shows strength in experience" detroit free press
"mccain showed his knowledge and proved his readiness to lead" rochester democrat and chronicle
"john mccain wins first debate on points" new york daily news
"mccain gives obama 'a bit of a thrashing' in first debate" gwinnett daily online
drudge report poll "who won the first debate?"
65% mccain
33%obama
2%neither
foxnews 82% to 18% (yes i know fox hates obama, okay?)
funny what 5minutes of research can do.
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"John McCain draws on experience to out-debate barack obama" london telegraph
"obama...seemed rattled by mccains attacks which were sharp" london telegraph
"mccain shows strength in experience" detroit free press
"mccain showed his knowledge and proved his readiness to lead" rochester democrat and chronicle
"john mccain wins first debate on points" new york daily news
"mccain gives obama 'a bit of a thrashing' in first debate" gwinnett daily online
drudge report poll "who won the first debate?"
65% mccain
33%obama
2%neither
foxnews 82% to 18% (yes i know fox hates obama, okay?)
funny what 5minutes of research can do.
"obama...seemed rattled by mccains attacks which were sharp" london telegraph
"mccain shows strength in experience" detroit free press
"mccain showed his knowledge and proved his readiness to lead" rochester democrat and chronicle
"john mccain wins first debate on points" new york daily news
"mccain gives obama 'a bit of a thrashing' in first debate" gwinnett daily online
drudge report poll "who won the first debate?"
65% mccain
33%obama
2%neither
foxnews 82% to 18% (yes i know fox hates obama, okay?)
funny what 5minutes of research can do.
"Round 1: Obama Wins Oxford Debate, Polls Say" - Jackson Free Press
"Obama wins Round 1" - SF Chronicle
"Cool Obama wins debate on points" - The Sunday Times (UK)
"Klein: Obama Wins Debate On Tactics and Strategies " - Joe Klein (www.time.com)
"Round one of the verbal sparring is declared a draw" - The Independent (UK)
"Round 1 in debates goes to Obama, poll says" - Rebecca Sinderbrand CNN
"WHO WON THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?… No One" - News By Us (free press)
"The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey, conducted shortly after the debate ended, showed 51 percent thought Obama, a U.S. senator from Illinois, did the best job, while 38 percent said Republican opponent Sen. John McCain of Arizona won." - United Press International
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Nice research. You missed some headlines though....
"Round 1: Obama Wins Oxford Debate, Polls Say" - Jackson Free Press
"Obama wins Round 1" - SF Chronicle
"Cool Obama wins debate on points" - The Sunday Times (UK)
"Klein: Obama Wins Debate On Tactics and Strategies " - Joe Klein (www.time.com)
"Round one of the verbal sparring is declared a draw" - The Independent (UK)
"Round 1 in debates goes to Obama, poll says" - Rebecca Sinderbrand CNN
"WHO WON THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?… No One" - News By Us (free press)
"The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey, conducted shortly after the debate ended, showed 51 percent thought Obama, a U.S. senator from Illinois, did the best job, while 38 percent said Republican opponent Sen. John McCain of Arizona won." - United Press International
"Round 1: Obama Wins Oxford Debate, Polls Say" - Jackson Free Press
"Obama wins Round 1" - SF Chronicle
"Cool Obama wins debate on points" - The Sunday Times (UK)
"Klein: Obama Wins Debate On Tactics and Strategies " - Joe Klein (www.time.com)
"Round one of the verbal sparring is declared a draw" - The Independent (UK)
"Round 1 in debates goes to Obama, poll says" - Rebecca Sinderbrand CNN
"WHO WON THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?… No One" - News By Us (free press)
"The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey, conducted shortly after the debate ended, showed 51 percent thought Obama, a U.S. senator from Illinois, did the best job, while 38 percent said Republican opponent Sen. John McCain of Arizona won." - United Press International
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My point was that you are being insistent that McCain won the debate. I just wanted to show that several others saw it as a draw, or even with Obama won. Either way, it was closer than you seem to portray it.
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A good start:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/su...=N00009638#bli
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^^^^
I'm not sure what that means.
Here's a list of campaign contributors for both candidates:
Obama:
Goldman Sachs $691,930
University of California $611,207
Citigroup Inc $448,599
JPMorgan Chase & Co $442,919
Harvard University $435,769
Google Inc $420,174
UBS AG $404,750
National Amusements Inc $389,140
Microsoft Corp $377,235
Lehman Brothers $370,524
Sidley Austin LLP $350,302
Moveon.org $347,463
Skadden, Arps et al $340,264
Time Warner $338,527
Wilmerhale Llp $335,398
Morgan Stanley $318,070
Latham & Watkins $297,400
Jones Day $289,476
University of Chicago $278,885
Stanford University $97,700
McCain:
Merrill Lynch $298,413
Citigroup Inc $269,251
Morgan Stanley $233,272
Goldman Sachs $208,395
JPMorgan Chase & Co $179,975
AT&T Inc $174,487
Blank Rome LLP $150,426
Credit Suisse Group $150,025
Greenberg Traurig LLP $146,787
UBS AG $140,165
PricewaterhouseCoopers $140,120
US Government $137,617
Bank of America $129,475
Wachovia Corp $122,846
Lehman Brothers $117,500
FedEx Corp $113,453
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $104,250
US Army $103,613
Bear Stearns $99,300
Pinnacle West Capital $97,700
I'm not sure what that means.
Here's a list of campaign contributors for both candidates:
Obama:
Goldman Sachs $691,930
University of California $611,207
Citigroup Inc $448,599
JPMorgan Chase & Co $442,919
Harvard University $435,769
Google Inc $420,174
UBS AG $404,750
National Amusements Inc $389,140
Microsoft Corp $377,235
Lehman Brothers $370,524
Sidley Austin LLP $350,302
Moveon.org $347,463
Skadden, Arps et al $340,264
Time Warner $338,527
Wilmerhale Llp $335,398
Morgan Stanley $318,070
Latham & Watkins $297,400
Jones Day $289,476
University of Chicago $278,885
Stanford University $97,700
McCain:
Merrill Lynch $298,413
Citigroup Inc $269,251
Morgan Stanley $233,272
Goldman Sachs $208,395
JPMorgan Chase & Co $179,975
AT&T Inc $174,487
Blank Rome LLP $150,426
Credit Suisse Group $150,025
Greenberg Traurig LLP $146,787
UBS AG $140,165
PricewaterhouseCoopers $140,120
US Government $137,617
Bank of America $129,475
Wachovia Corp $122,846
Lehman Brothers $117,500
FedEx Corp $113,453
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $104,250
US Army $103,613
Bear Stearns $99,300
Pinnacle West Capital $97,700
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^^^^
I'm not sure what that means.
Here's a list of campaign contributors for both candidates:
Obama:
Goldman Sachs $691,930
University of California $611,207
Citigroup Inc $448,599
JPMorgan Chase & Co $442,919
Harvard University $435,769
Google Inc $420,174
UBS AG $404,750
National Amusements Inc $389,140
Microsoft Corp $377,235
Lehman Brothers $370,524
Sidley Austin LLP $350,302
Moveon.org $347,463
Skadden, Arps et al $340,264
Time Warner $338,527
Wilmerhale Llp $335,398
Morgan Stanley $318,070
Latham & Watkins $297,400
Jones Day $289,476
University of Chicago $278,885
Stanford University $97,700
McCain:
Merrill Lynch $298,413
Citigroup Inc $269,251
Morgan Stanley $233,272
Goldman Sachs $208,395
JPMorgan Chase & Co $179,975
AT&T Inc $174,487
Blank Rome LLP $150,426
Credit Suisse Group $150,025
Greenberg Traurig LLP $146,787
UBS AG $140,165
PricewaterhouseCoopers $140,120
US Government $137,617
Bank of America $129,475
Wachovia Corp $122,846
Lehman Brothers $117,500
FedEx Corp $113,453
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $104,250
US Army $103,613
Bear Stearns $99,300
Pinnacle West Capital $97,700
I'm not sure what that means.
Here's a list of campaign contributors for both candidates:
Obama:
Goldman Sachs $691,930
University of California $611,207
Citigroup Inc $448,599
JPMorgan Chase & Co $442,919
Harvard University $435,769
Google Inc $420,174
UBS AG $404,750
National Amusements Inc $389,140
Microsoft Corp $377,235
Lehman Brothers $370,524
Sidley Austin LLP $350,302
Moveon.org $347,463
Skadden, Arps et al $340,264
Time Warner $338,527
Wilmerhale Llp $335,398
Morgan Stanley $318,070
Latham & Watkins $297,400
Jones Day $289,476
University of Chicago $278,885
Stanford University $97,700
McCain:
Merrill Lynch $298,413
Citigroup Inc $269,251
Morgan Stanley $233,272
Goldman Sachs $208,395
JPMorgan Chase & Co $179,975
AT&T Inc $174,487
Blank Rome LLP $150,426
Credit Suisse Group $150,025
Greenberg Traurig LLP $146,787
UBS AG $140,165
PricewaterhouseCoopers $140,120
US Government $137,617
Bank of America $129,475
Wachovia Corp $122,846
Lehman Brothers $117,500
FedEx Corp $113,453
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $104,250
US Army $103,613
Bear Stearns $99,300
Pinnacle West Capital $97,700
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I think what he meant is that of the top 5 contributors to the Obama campaign, 3 of them list "Not employed" as their occupation. Seeing that list was very interesting as I had the opportunity to meet Bill Budinger on a couple of occasions when I lived in Aspen. He is a very connected guy in the valley, and it is interesting to see he is Obama's number one contributor.
