I feel I've explained myself more than enough. The question is what your point of view, and a better question, why?

You've said that the environment isn't a topic worth taking seriously, but you also backed off of your comments that you litter, saying it was a joke. If it was a joke, wouldn't that imply that you do take the environment seriously? Which is it?

It seems we both like to have the last word- I'll let you have it this time- since you aren't being serious anyway. I'm really done now.

 

My point of view is that I just don't care. There are many issues that I care deeply about and this isn't one. I guess it just boils down to apathy. Last night when watching the story about the little Somalian babies, I darn near welled up. I can't generate the same sort of emotion about CFCs. That's about the best 'why' I can come up with.

I never backed off of the littering comment. I said that largely, what I said previously was a joke, meant to get your hackles up. Normally, I wouldn't admit that publicly but for you and in an effort to really do a good job of getting under your skin, I felt that the risk of admitting that was necessary and might even be fun.

Alrighty, adios.

 

It's no wonder that most folks couldn't care less about global warming, and to a lesser extent, the environment in general. The same environmental whackos that close off major portions of our country to vehicular and/or foot traffic to protect an endangered beetle, shrub, rat, or bacteria, are the same whackos that don't want any limits on immigration.

As nature and science have proven, ecosystems thrive in their natural state and adapt to their native populations. Such ecosystems are often destroyed with the introduction of non-native species and resulting exponential population growth. Ok ok... so you all already new that.

 

Okay, so that means just because there are religious zealots and fundamentalists, most folks should care less about religion. Great argument :applause: , based solely on a fase generalization. There ya go. It's a liberal issue, so tie it to illegal immigration! And to prevent looking ignorant (with your name, it's kinda hard ), you may not want to argue about something you obviously don't have the slightest clue about.

It's no wonder that most folks couldn't care less about genocide around the world, and to a lesser extent, atrocities in general. The same military whackos that charge in thinking they're gonna fix everything are the same whackos that want to close the borders indefinately... therefore, nobody should give a second thought about terrible atriocities in other countries.

See how ignorant and close-minded that sounds?

 

Sure, but what does this have to do with anything else you said? It appears that you may possibly know something , but it would be nice if it actually supported or was related to your original argument.

 

No no no! Comparing religious fundamentalists to environmentalists doesn't work... because those "zealots" are trying to save your soul, not damn you to hell. Now if you are saying that religious fundamentalist go around under the guise of saving your soul, but indeed are damning more people (doing more harm than good), then the comparison might be fair... though misguided.

Many environmentalists (i.e. Sierra Club), but to be fair not all environmental groups, THINK they are helping the world, but they ignore the core cause of pollution (i.e. population growth and consumption).

Beyond recycling and not removing the smog devices from your car, there's little motivation for the average individual to not harm the planet when our "own" environmental agencies and organizations seem to be corrupt and political. They'll close a jogging trail to protect a non-indigenous rat, though they have no problem living in a house that destroyed natural nesting areas.

 

Let's change the name of this thread to " The Politics Forum...a club divided"

 

That's because you don't have the foresite to see that the environment, if not taken care of, would lead to much worse attrocities. If natural resources start drying up, do you think we'll just all go communist everywhere and split everything up? NO...those babies you saw on TV would become the norm. So think about the environment in terms of the people who will die if it goes bad, and maybe your apathy will fade some.

 

I was equating the religious fundamentalists to the 'whacko' environmentalists- you don't seem to be able to see anything but the extremes. Are you saying all
environmentalists are damning people to hell? Maybe those who don't follow, but isn't that the idea with religion, also? Looks like you've got it right in the second sentence, there. The fundamentalists (extremes) are much like the 'whacko' environmentalists, in that they both have taken representing their cause to a point where they are doing more harm than good. See the correlation? Or do I need to make a picture book?

Yeah some groups don't exactly have their priorites straight. But they do a hell of a lot more than not give a damn. Are you suggesting the groups (who are already seen as 'out there' by many) advocate worldwide sterilizations? They do what they are able to without stirring up controversy. If people don't even understand why you shouldn't litter or pollute, how will they take this proposition? If you guys on the right want to eliminate crazy environmentalists, perhaps you should stop trying to spite efforts toward a goal we should all share. All you do by proudly saying you litter is incite people who see that as ignorant to take further and further measures to try to get their point across.


So, just because other organizations supporting a worthy cause may be corrupt, that cause is less worthy? Your mind works in wierd ways, bro. And some things they have control over, some they don't. Where was this closed jogging trail, exactly? These examples get used way too often- they aren't really that common at all.

You're obviously refusing to understand. Don't try to pick apart analagies, or else you'll never get the point. No analagy fits perfectly- but you didn't even point out any real discrepancies.

 

good point... I was gonna respond with something similar to that, but I had given him the last word (which he promptly wasted) in our little tiff.

 

how bout' "the ignorant and the elitist"?

 

^^^^I hear that. I don't mind the politcal debates and such but what's with all the hositility. If I were to say "Yes (insert name) I agree, you are right" then the conversation would end. That's all people want to hear and naturally we don't say it for a number of reasons either because we won't admit defeat or we really don't agree. It's like being politcal missionary, "I will quite knocking on your door and handing out flyers as soon as you accept my beliefs as your own."

 

Yes, picture book please!!!

Do you know why these examples get used way to often? Because it happens WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to often!!!

I used to frequent this area one to several times a week! They closed the friggen trails because of the "endangered salt marsh harvest mouse and clapper rail."
http://baytrail.abag.ca.gov/vtour/ma...tm#trailclosed

Do you know who helped push for it? Freaks who bought houses on what was formerly marsh land!!!!! Greedy bastards just wanted to enjoy the view for themselves.

 

Reminds me about how horses are allowed on so many OSP trails that mtn bikes aren't allowed on. Bikes are a lot lower impact, especially if it's raining. But horse riders are a lot more rich. So guess who gets kicked out. (horse riding sucks...)

 

I'm waiting for you to remind me of my final destination too, like where I'll end up if I don't give up my carjacking ways and my bleach-mainlining habit...and my dirty mouth.