If you take ANYTHING on a forum seriously, you have problems my friend.

I couldn't tell you what the chemical composition of ozone is. That's how dumb I am about the environment. They say ignorance is bliss, so that would explain why I feel so elated while I throw my McDonald's cup out the window. The feeling I get is second only to when I throw out a styro cup.

Lighten up, Francis.

If you want to know what I'm really like, we can exchange emails or something. I'll tell you all about my hopes and dreams. What my favorite color and food are. Whether I like puppies better than kittens.

Well, shoot. Here's a snippet. I think that I am Jesus' brother. If I were to bet on the cummulative odds, I'd say that I'm the 2nd coming. I like the color blue. I have killed a man before. My favorite thing in the world is taking my wife and son to the park. I have been sober for 12 years come November. No one can kill like I can. I am an ordained minister in the Church of Pat (to date, there's only one other member, though.)

What else would you like to know?

 

If you can admit to this, then why can't you trust people who DO know about the environment and say some of the things you do are bad for it?

Or does the Church of Pat subscribe to the notion that the rapture is coming and we don't need to take care of the Earth...

 

Like I said, Mother Gaia created us solely for the reason that she wanted some styrofoam lodes.

Also, I respect science and scientists but just because I'm ignorant about something, I'm not going to just jump on the bandwagon because they use a whole bunch of big words and formulas.

There are many things that I could say but to the staunch, they would just sound like an excuse. If you are that big of an environmentalist, then you and I are sort of similar.

Environment = tyranny.

So long as there are folks burying their used petroleum products, you will always have a fight. So long as there is genocide, I will always have a fight.

 

So, are we just supposed to babble sarcatsic jabs at one another in this forum? I had the idea that this particular forum is a place for serious discussion on political issues. It may seem like a right wing dominated, ex-military laugh-at liberals club many times, hell- I maybe that's what it really is.

Please, that's plenty. I never said I wanted to know anything, I was telling you to realize that many people reading your posts don't know you personally and therefore can't distinguish your humor from your true view of reality. If you get your kicks by seeing people over-react to something you didn't mean in the first place, well, to use your verbage, you have problems my friend.

And regarding Carlin, he wasn't at all condoning or encoraging littering in that bit. It was satire, like most of his stuff, pointing out how we are so good at fu*king up the environment, that must of been why we were created. It's supposed to make people think- gee, I thought we were no different than any other species on this planet? Perhaps we should take some steps to un-fu*k-up this planet of ours. You can take it to support your apparent view, but then you're just the butt of his joke.

 

Gee- that's quite the stretch. So, if you wish to draw the comparison, how would you take it if I said I made every effort possible to undermine our military's efforts against 'genocide,' simply out of spite? Meaning I hung effigies of dead soldiers on my porch, attended every anti-war/anti-military event and demonstration, and laughed everytime I heard of one of our own being lost in battle, etc.

Would you sluff it off as humor? Perhaps you may be able to see the exaggeration and sarcasm in my words, but knowing that there are people like that, you just may think I was being truthful.

Am I the only f'ing person here that can see both sides? I guess being close-minded is less stress on the old brain.

 

YEAH i saw that too! im looking forwart to the aurora borealis every single night though......

 

When someone posts very vehemently that if you install water injection on a stock WRX that you can turn an MBC up to 30psi, do you believe them? If you know anything about tuning, you'd probably disagree.

When they say that if you buy some boost juice that you ought to be able to run in the 11's, do you believe that?

If I post something in here, you can agree with me or disagree. Further, if you think I'm off my gourd or teasing or just being an insulting ***, you can either take on the verbal battle or just ignore me.

I think I can normally judge when someone is serious or not. There's nothing wrong with posting ANYTHING in here, I don't think. You get what you pay for.

I try to contribute when I think it's appropriate. I have even been known to e-thug when I feel as though someone is posting stuff that I don't think is appropriate. (I haven't figured out yet whether I'd act on it or not.) I try to bait when I think someone is just too damn serious about a topic that I don't think is worthy of being taken seriously, like the environment. That's my personal opinion; I'm entitled to it. Convince me otherwise. Remember, I'm of the USA Today generation, so if you decide to take me too far down the rabbit hole, you may have to hold my hand, hold my attention, be selective in your method of instruction.

Oh, and about Geo Carlin...you mean to tell me he's a comedian? What he was saying was a joke?

 

Carlin is a liberal environmetalist- that's what I was getting at.

So, you say the environment is a topic not to be taken seriously. But you say you're joking when you say you feel great tossing a styrofoam cup out the car window. So which is it? What the hell am I supposed to think?

And once again, many people have quite the deranged view of reality, so you shouldn't be so sure when you think someone isn't being serious. Nor should you expect others to be able to easily distinguish between sarcasm and your true beliefs, just from words on a screen.

 

But my point is I DON'T CARE IF I'M TAKEN SERIOUSLY on the in the internet WHEN I'M NOT BEING SERIOUS.

To be honest, I'm not really too crestfallen if someone doesn't take me serious when I am being serious.

You know, I've read about folks on the internet who DO take it too seriously:
http://publications.mediapost.com/in...&art_aid=29415

The environment issue is something that I don't take seriously.....so I joke about it.

Are you getting it yet, Father SternandSomber?

 

You sound Like you Need an ice cold beer(in a styro foam cup)

 

Had to give it up.

 

Ok fine:angry: a lemonade

 

Then why act surprised when someone does take something serious?
And I bet if you made a point regarding an issue important to you, and a bunch of uber-liberals/uber-conservatives started cracking jokes and making light of your argument- it would kind of **** you off, or at least frustrate you, regardless of whether it was on an online forum or face to face. I've done my best to explain my side- I even tried to explain it from your point of view. But it seems my efforts are, once again, in vain, as you continue to refuse to hear what I'm saying.

I guess you can tell me if I'm 'getting it' yet...

And the facetious name-calling is getting old, seriously.

So, you weren't trying to contribute intelligently to the discussion, you were trying to be funny and hopefully get someone to take you serious? Pretty lame if you ask me.

I'm finished here.

 

BTW, if anything's a joke- it's that article.

I guess when compared to his existence, we've all got quite the life.

 

I wasn't surprised.

I would only be pissed if it weren't uber-liberals/uber-conservatives. (I see now that you're a guy who needs a lot of winky-smilies. I bet I can keep you into this conversation for a while longer.)

Seriously, what's the harm in frustrating someone. You see, I have completely diverted you from your argument (whatever it was) and immersed you into a parallel argument that has nothing to do with any issue at hand. That's a tactic used frequently in debates and negotiations.

If someone were to make light of an argument that I was making that I took seriously and took to heart, I'd respond (or not) using a variety of approaches. Humor comes to mind first, since it's a topic we've discussed. Redirection as well. Maybe full-frontal assault. Maybe try and appear non-committal and pliable in order to lull them into a sense of nonconcern in order to break down any barriers to communication. You can not convince nor teach someone if there are any barriers in place. Depending on the situation and the person, you decide which is the best tact.

You have not done your best to explain your side and you most certainly haven't explained it from my point of view. You'd better try again.

You seem to care very deeply about the environment and atmosphere, even to the point where you won't allow any joking at their expense. What exactly is your point of view and why?