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Old Nov 18, 2008 | 05:24 PM
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We'll see. McCain/Palin promoted their policies plenty, but a lot of Americans were voting liberal on the issues. If M/P had hammered Obama for his disgusting friendships and contacts they would have had a better shot. But hey, in 4 years we'll see what happens.

Obama has nearly 50% of Americans in his favor, and 50% not. So now, if he does the things that the far far left wants, he'll definitely get the boot in 4 years. If he governs more towards the middle and saves us in our economic crisis, then he'll likely get a second term. McCain lacked charisma and flair. He was too old school.
OK, they did discuss policy, but there wasn't anything Maverick about them. Tax cuts for the rich, drill for more oil, give enemies the silent treatment, etc. Basically very similar to this last administration.

And you want to know why people didn't care about experience? Guess who had 4 years of presidential experience in the 04 election. How much did that help him in the last 4 years? People thought even less of Bush his last 4 years than his first 4.

And yes, McCain was supposed to be the candidate of the independent voters, he failed to connect. Bashing on Obama for working on an educational board with a washed up 60s radical didn't hit home with a lot of people. Do you do a background check on everybody you meet in your life? Again, it's more of a scare tactic than something of substance. McCain spent 4.5 years living with the Vietcong, do you think he's a communist sympathizer now?

Maybe this would have been relevant if we weren't struggling with two wars, a failing republican run economy, a weak education system, etc. These all overshadow trying to link Obama to a 60s radical group. If you really truly think Obama has any terrorist tenancies because of this, I hate to think of everything else that scares you on a daily basis. If I got scared every time the republican party told me to be scared, I would have fled the country a long time ago.
Old Nov 18, 2008 | 05:35 PM
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Maybe this would have been relevant if we weren't struggling with two wars, a failing republican run economy, a weak education system, etc.
President = Republican
House = Democrat
Senate = Democrat


I would not call this a "Republican run economy"
Old Nov 18, 2008 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
President = Republican
House = Democrat
Senate = Democrat


I would not call this a "Republican run economy"
That's a cop out and not a very good one......

Majority Senate Leaders 2001-2008:

Jan. 20, 2001-Jun. 6, 2001 Trent Lott (R)
2001-2002 Tom Daschle (D)
Nov. 25, 2002–Jan. 3, 2003 Republican Majority [senate out of session]
2003-2007 Bill Frist (R)
2007-present Harry Reid (D)

Majority House Leaders 1999-2008:

1999–2003 Dick Armey (R)
2003–2005 Tom DeLay (R)
2005–2006 Roy Blunt [acting] (R)
2006–2007 John Boehner (R)
2007–present Steny Hoyer (D)

US President 2000-2008:

2000-2008 George W. Bush (R)


... so yes, I would say a Republican run economy.
Old Nov 18, 2008 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by medicSTi
Something we would like to help you change
haha, i donnt think so
Old Nov 19, 2008 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
President = Republican
House = Democrat
Senate = Democrat


I would not call this a "Republican run economy"
It's amazing to me that people still cling to this. For the last two years, yes the dems have had the majority.

So what happened to the first 6 years? Wait they were still recovering from Bill Clinton's presidency right?
Old Nov 19, 2008 | 11:17 AM
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It's amazing to me that people still cling to this. For the last two years, yes the dems have had the majority.

So what happened to the first 6 years? Wait they were still recovering from Bill Clinton's presidency right?
so the last two years had nothing to do with the downfall of the economy?
Old Nov 19, 2008 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
so the last two years had nothing to do with the downfall of the economy?
Not nearly as much as the first 6. That's just basic math....

6>2
Old Nov 19, 2008 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
so the last two years had nothing to do with the downfall of the economy?
I thought the Dems didn't do anything in congress the last two years. Now they're the primary cause of the economy's downfall?
Old Nov 19, 2008 | 02:34 PM
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 03:33 PM
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Inaction > Wrong Action.
fixed for you
Old Nov 19, 2008 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
so the last two years had nothing to do with the downfall of the economy?
Not from the last 2 years. Actually from 1977 with the Community Reinvestment Act under Carter..

This was the start.

The second bullet was the SUBPRIME AUTHORIZATION, of 1995.

Signed Under Clinton (You are probably old enough to remember Bill Clinton Proudly proclaiming that he had increased the number of Home owners under his administration.)

Basically you had banks that were forced by the government to give loans to people who couldn't afford them in the name of "Fairness".


The Coup de gras was the Democratic Blocking of a requirement for Freddie and Fannie to Capitalize their debt in 2003. And again in 2005.

Actually a very good article can be found here..
http://smallestminority.blogspot.com...s-problem.html


Of course Democrats blame Republicans, and the press is in lockstep.








Signed Under Clinton (You are probably old enough to remember Bill Clinton Proudly proclaiming that he had increased the number of Home owners under his administration.
Old Nov 19, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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fixed for you


Coming from a military background, "inaction" is far worse than taking "wrong action."
Old Nov 20, 2008 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Tizzo27
Not from the last 2 years. Actually from 1977 with the Community Reinvestment Act under Carter..

This was the start.

The second bullet was the SUBPRIME AUTHORIZATION, of 1995.

Signed Under Clinton (You are probably old enough to remember Bill Clinton Proudly proclaiming that he had increased the number of Home owners under his administration.)

Basically you had banks that were forced by the government to give loans to people who couldn't afford them in the name of "Fairness".


The Coup de gras was the Democratic Blocking of a requirement for Freddie and Fannie to Capitalize their debt in 2003. And again in 2005.

Actually a very good article can be found here..
http://smallestminority.blogspot.com...s-problem.html


Of course Democrats blame Republicans, and the press is in lockstep.








Signed Under Clinton (You are probably old enough to remember Bill Clinton Proudly proclaiming that he had increased the number of Home owners under his administration.
So you're saying one thing that Carter did couldn't be fixed under 3 republican administrations. Then Clinton signed one bill that forced banks to give out bad loans and that law couldn't be reversed under 8 years of a republican administration. It's amazing how the republican party never seems to be responsible for anything bad that happens, even when they're in charge, it's someone elses fault.

Here's the details of the bill everyone is referencing to that most people probably haven't read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

This is a snippet from an argument stating that the CRA isn't fully responsible for the incident.

Some legal and financial experts note that CRA regulated loans tend to be safe and profitable, and that subprime excesses came mainly from institutions not regulated by the CRA. In the February 2008 House hearing, law professor Michael S. Barr, a Treasury Department official under President Clinton,[63][33] stated that a Federal Reserve survey showed that affected institutions considered CRA loans profitable and not overly risky. He noted that approximately 50% of the subprime loans were made by independent mortgage companies that were not regulated by the CRA. Another 25% to 30% came from only partially CRA regulated bank subsidiaries and affiliates. He stated that institutions fully regulated by CRA made "perhaps" one in four sub-prime loans. Referring to CRA and abuses in the subprime market, Michael Barr stated that in his judgment "the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with the least federal oversight".[64] According to Janet L. Yellen, President of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, independent mortgage companies made "high-priced loans" at more than twice the rate of the banks and thrifts; most CRA loans were responsibly made, and were not the higher-priced loans that have contributed to the current crisis.[65] A 2008 study by Traiger & Hinckley LLP, a law firm that counsels financial institutions on CRA compliance, found that CRA regulated institutions were less likely to make subprime loans, and when they did the interest rates were lower. CRA banks were also half as likely to resell the loans.[66] In contrast, Emre Ergungor of the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland found that there was no statistical difference in foreclosure rates between regulated and less-regulated banks, though a local bank presence resulted in fewer foreclosures.[67]

Assistant professor of law Alan M. White[68] notes that some abuses blamed on the CRA actually occurred because the Housing and Urban Development and Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight under the Bush administration allowed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to fulfill their affordable housing goals by buying subprime mortgage-backed securities. These affordable housing goals were motivated by similar aims, but not part of the CRA.[69]

However, I won't argue the the dems got in the way when trying to keep Fanny and Freddie in check.

My whole point is that none of this is to blame on one party. It take a lot of individuals to **** stuff up this bad. But since W was the pres during this mess, he's the quarterback so he gets all the blame. Although, he had the power to do more in preventing this mess that was predicted by so many other republicans who our proud to mention that they know everything.
Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:17 AM
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My whole point is that none of this is to blame on one party. It take a lot of individuals to **** stuff up this bad. But since W was the pres during this mess, he's the quarterback so he gets all the blame. Although, he had the power to do more in preventing this mess that was predicted by so many other republicans who our proud to mention that they know everything.
I don't blame the democrats, I dont blame the republicans, I blame everyone in Washington for ****ing this up.

I do not like it when people try to point fingers at one party, its everyone mess they got into.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
I don't blame the democrats, I dont blame the republicans, I blame everyone in Washington for ****ing this up.

I do not like it when people try to point fingers at one party, its everyone mess they got into.

And you would be correct.. But blaming the current financial situation on "Bush's failed policies" is missing the point entirely..
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