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Old Aug 2, 2007 | 10:07 AM
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"The State which thinks itself entitled to force its citizens to go to war will never pay proper regard to the value and happiness of their lives in peace."



Check out the list of countries that do and don't have conscription:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription
Old Aug 2, 2007 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Money for college...or trade school, cooking school, etc...is a big benefit.

That's how I got my BS in Mech Engineering.

BTW...the gov't needs to establish mandatory 2 yr national service NOW!
Whether it's serving in the military or a conservation Corps type unit maitaining Nat'l parks & what not, every male & female needs to serve.
I disagree Paul. I am very much in favor of young adults serving, whether military, Peace Corps, etc., but I also think there are plenty of people who will turn out just fine without doing it, and be valuable to society. Besides, have you forgotten how many of the people you served with were pretty useless to the world without a uniform? I haven't.
Old Aug 2, 2007 | 11:43 AM
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My platoon were all high school grads.
Most had JC.
A few had 2+ yrs of "real" college.
2 had degrees....and were made into officers!

The few **** ups we had in my company, were either inner city gangstas or inbred hill billies.
And these types are everywhere in life.

I agree with MV...I don't support the draft unless it's truly needed.
I like the socialist idea of some sort of nat'l service; clean the nat'l parks, firefighters for the Dept of Forestry, etc.

A lot of people I've met in my life, in there late teens & early 20s are lacking in the discipline dept.
Their mantra when times are tough is "**** It."

Regimented life is very beneficial for those with that mantra.

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Old Aug 2, 2007 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Idunno.
My platoon were all high school grads.
Most had JC.
A few had 2+ yrs of "real" college.
2 had degrees....and were made into officers!

The few **** ups we had in my company, were either inner city gangstas or inbred hill billies.
And these types are everywhere in life.

I agree with MV...I don't support the draft unless it's truly needed.
I like the socialist idea of some sort of nat'l service; clean the nat'l parks, firefighters for the Dept of Forestry, etc.

A lot of people I've met in my life, in there late teens & early 20s are lacking in the discipline dept.
Their mantra when times are tough is "**** It."

Regimented life is very beneficial for those with that mantra.
I think rather than making it mandatory, some nice incentives for volunteer service would be good. Like 2 tax-free years with qualifying service, or buy-in to the GI Bill, something like that. Like I said (and you agree with) service is good for most people, but not many actually need it, and fewer will turn out stupid, ignorant or lazy without it.

Besides, military service did nothing to improve my lack of motivation and general disregard for people with more authority than sense.
Old Aug 4, 2007 | 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
A lot of people I've met in my life, in there late teens & early 20s are lacking in the discipline dept.
Their mantra when times are tough is "**** It."

Regimented life is very beneficial for those with that mantra.
Exactly!

Although i'm against mandatory military service the idea of community service (etc) is very tempting. Imagine the good selfless service could do for the youth of this country. People might actually say thank you and call you sir or ma'am once in awhile.

I know, I know... that's a lot to ask for these days. Unfortunately freewill leaves us with tyrone with his boxers halfway exposed and pants halfway to the ground as he robs you blind and plays the victim, and the emo white kid that hates his life despite being given an iPhone and Playstation.

Here’s the way i think of it... What would it take to bring back the same level of respect you got out of people during the mid/early 20th and beyond? The kind of respect and work ethic you’d expect from a corn-fed farm boy that sincerely loves his mama. If it meant conscription then wouldn’t it be worth it in order to re-instill some good in people?

Heck, maybe it wouldn't bring back the level of respect i'd hope but at least it would do something positive.

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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
Let's face it, given the amount of those currently in and the number of men and women that have rotated in the GWOT theatre throughout the years, your odds of dying are like winning the lottery.
Salty, as usual you've posted a really good article. I've got to disagree with your above cited statement though. Your odds of getting killed by being in the Army are probably about like winning the lottery. But like you know, that's also very branch/MOS discriminate. The likelyhood of being killed or injured as an 11B (as well as other Combat Arms MOS guys) in Baghdad is actually a less-than-comforting statistic. Sure the odds aren't great but you'll still be surrounded by the possibility of death on a daily basis. At this point I don't think I have one friend in the Army that hasn't lost at least one close friend in the GWOT.

There isn't a contract in the world that will ever make me feel better about having lost the friends I have. That is a piece of me that no benefits or monetary gain could ever replace. I'm sure you know what I mean.
Old Aug 8, 2007 | 11:26 PM
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Of course. I should have been MOS specific. Sorry about that.
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