Avoid Tuning By Paul @ DBTuned
02-03-2009, 09:12 AM
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I know im going to put this back at the top but i think the OP has pretty much been owned. The more we respond or keep saying the same things I.E. the OP sucks at life the more people see in the opener DO NOT GET TUNED BY PAUL the more undeserved bad publicity he gets. I SAY WE LET THIS ONE DIE. the OP does not posses the intestinal fortitude to repost or defend his douchebaggery so if we stop posting this thred will go away and the post will not be in the top 10. I know the drama is so fun but thats what soap operas are for.....
02-03-2009, 09:14 AM
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Damn three pages of straight draaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmaaaaaaaa!
Hope you all get it worked out!
He should have been man enough to call Paul and hash it out that way first. That would be the "respectable" way of doing it.
anyhow, back to my popcorn.
Hope you all get it worked out!
He should have been man enough to call Paul and hash it out that way first. That would be the "respectable" way of doing it.
anyhow, back to my popcorn.
02-03-2009, 09:42 AM
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Clear up some questions. I have contacted Paul via I-club shortly after the post. My phone died when I was out of town. When I got back I charged the phone and wrote a post. I knew he would see this post and messaged him shortly after. Like I have said, Paul is a good guy and a great mechanic but the evidence that I saw is outstanding, his tune was causing damage. I didn’t hear the knocking since 99% of the time I am blasting music. Also I didn’t go straight ASAP to Paul because I saw 2 outcomes of the situation. 1) He can deny it and try to argue my point with the evidence and be where I am at now. 2) He takes responsibility and attempts to fix it and possibly make it worse. Then I would be back on here with more complaints. When you touch a hot stove do you touch it again? I like Paul as a person but I just don’t trust him anymore and I would feel horrible to allow someone else to come along and have this happen to them. I trusted Paul to do my entire install since he felt more comfortable tuning the car under his wrenching. I could have done some of the install myself but that’s beside the point. I am talking about the Tune not the install.
Reason I told Tuner X to tune without fixing it was because I planned to rebuild the motor years down the road, since its practically still a new car with low miles. Also I don’t have the money for a rebuild. At least with his tune I can slow down the damage that was progressing from Paul’s tune. Now after this I guess I am going to have to do it sooner with a loan. Let just say I never found this out and Paul builds my motor and tunes a brand new built motor (If it didn’t blow by then). Then his tune, like it was, slowly starts to destroy my new block over a series of 4 months. I have a great feeling I would have to argue with him to prove it. I could see the mass amount of excuses. “You didn’t break it in right”, “You put in the wrong mixture”, etc.
I am not here to start an immature argument or some stupid battle. I am not going to name call, muckrake, or act like a kid. I’m posting my experience with what I have seen and felt. You can choose to take my advice or ignore it. You are subject to your own opinion and entitled to it. Why not attack those who write bad reviews about Fry’s? Because it’s a review, emotions and feeling aside, it’s my experience that’s based off physical evidence. Sorry if I pissed some of you off with this post but like I said. Morally I would feel bad to allow someone who is wondering on who to have tune their car, then have this happen to them.
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P.S. – “DZ - Had he taken the car back to Paul, I am quite sure that Paul would have taken a look and worked with him to resolve any issues. However at this point, even if the motor is a total loss there is no way to prove that it wasn't "Tuner Ed's" changes that caused the problem.”
I saw the plugs before anything. Tuner X didn’t do anything besides testing. No tweaking or modifying. Hooked up a laptop and did a pull then showed me log files. You are throwing up conspiracy theories. Plus like I stated I didn’t want to take it back to chance him making it worse.
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P.S - “Tofuman - OP, when you're at meets, admitting that you run your car as hard as you do doesn't help your case. Anyways, if you have a problem, you need to handle it with the person you have the problem with”
Never said I push my car as hard and fast as I can all the time. Take a ride with me or even ask my buddies who drive with me. I am usually 10mph over the speed limit and once in a while I drop gear. Don’t make comments or judgments based off talking to me for about an hour or two and I know who you are.
Reason I told Tuner X to tune without fixing it was because I planned to rebuild the motor years down the road, since its practically still a new car with low miles. Also I don’t have the money for a rebuild. At least with his tune I can slow down the damage that was progressing from Paul’s tune. Now after this I guess I am going to have to do it sooner with a loan. Let just say I never found this out and Paul builds my motor and tunes a brand new built motor (If it didn’t blow by then). Then his tune, like it was, slowly starts to destroy my new block over a series of 4 months. I have a great feeling I would have to argue with him to prove it. I could see the mass amount of excuses. “You didn’t break it in right”, “You put in the wrong mixture”, etc.
I am not here to start an immature argument or some stupid battle. I am not going to name call, muckrake, or act like a kid. I’m posting my experience with what I have seen and felt. You can choose to take my advice or ignore it. You are subject to your own opinion and entitled to it. Why not attack those who write bad reviews about Fry’s? Because it’s a review, emotions and feeling aside, it’s my experience that’s based off physical evidence. Sorry if I pissed some of you off with this post but like I said. Morally I would feel bad to allow someone who is wondering on who to have tune their car, then have this happen to them.
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P.S. – “DZ - Had he taken the car back to Paul, I am quite sure that Paul would have taken a look and worked with him to resolve any issues. However at this point, even if the motor is a total loss there is no way to prove that it wasn't "Tuner Ed's" changes that caused the problem.”
I saw the plugs before anything. Tuner X didn’t do anything besides testing. No tweaking or modifying. Hooked up a laptop and did a pull then showed me log files. You are throwing up conspiracy theories. Plus like I stated I didn’t want to take it back to chance him making it worse.
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P.S - “Tofuman - OP, when you're at meets, admitting that you run your car as hard as you do doesn't help your case. Anyways, if you have a problem, you need to handle it with the person you have the problem with”
Never said I push my car as hard and fast as I can all the time. Take a ride with me or even ask my buddies who drive with me. I am usually 10mph over the speed limit and once in a while I drop gear. Don’t make comments or judgments based off talking to me for about an hour or two and I know who you are.
02-03-2009, 10:02 AM
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For those of you that have not done business with me:
Last summer, I built an engine for a customer to the tune of $5000; new pistons, bearings, seals, etc.
As with all of my engine builds, it was assembled by a Subaru Senior Master Tech with over ten years experience.
In addition, I install an "in flight data recorder" for warranty purposes.
The customer agrees to this before hand.
This particular engine failed, within 978 miles of being installed; rod knock.
The data recorder showed that the customer had driven in a very abusive manner...taking it to red line, high speeds/boost, etc.
Plus, the oil level was low.
As a sign of goodwill, I installed a very good, low mile engine at no cost to the owner.
Even though the owner admitted to be hard on his car.
When a mistake is made...and brought to my attention...I will do what I can, what is reasonable, and what is fair...to rectify it.
For what ever his reason, Ryan Stover decided to air his complaints publicly.
Which is fine.
He wrongly accused me of theft; paying for a part that he did not receive.
When I asked for evidence, he simply edited his original post, with out offering an apology.
I could spend a great deal more time, picking apart his original post, showing that he is, in my opinion, being misled.
But why?
His attitude and the path he has taken has spoken volumes about his character & that of this mysterious Tuner X.
02-03-2009, 10:05 AM
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BTW, Richard told me that the instructions in some of the kits were not correct.