How dare you call me an assclown......


sniffle, sniffle, you meanie

 

you're not an assclown, you're a salesman... that's much much worse

 

[austin powers] Ouch baby, very ouch [/austin powers]

 

Wow I don't have the patience to quote stuff like that, lol. I'll just hit a couple and I think I'm done because we both have differing opinions and THAT'S OKAY. I don't think you're going to change mine by repeating everything I've read from you already a bunch of times and I'm clearly not going to change yours by repeating everything I've said. I have no problem with that. I'm not here to convert you to the EQ-side or anything... but it's good to have a differing opinion so that's what I'm sharing with you. I know you'd be bored as hell if everyone around here just agreed with you (you can thank me later)

Best as in most power AND safest. I would turn around the last part of what you said. Dyno tuning is a good tool but nobody would choose to rely on it given the chance to road tune.


Yeah, you can get a good tune on the dyno. You cannot get as good of a tune on the dyno as you can on the road though. You can get a safe tune anywhere. Whether or not the car is on the ragged edge is up to the tuner. You can destroy a car if you want. It has nothing to do with where you're tuning. I know you know that statement was baseless. My car is FAR from the ragged edge. However, I feel you could, if you wanted, get closer to the edge safely on a road tune vs. on the dyno because it's obviously more realistic.

That's not what load means. Load is how hard it is for the car to accelerate through a gear. This could be due to gear ratio (higher load in higher/taller gears), car weight, or even going up a hill. You hit full boost sooner with a higher load, for example. If tuned on a dyno that simply has rollers of a certain mass (like ATP) the load is no where remotely close to what the car sees on the road. That's why the Mustang is such a nice tuning tool...you actually type in the weight of the car and it applies a semi-realistic load through the rollers.

Far from it. Actually, I guess it depends how you look at it. I've been doing the Subaru thing since '98. Back then I used to read the MRT forums and some UK stuff and whatnot, then got on I-Club when it used to be NASIOC and never really followed it over after the switch. Anyway, the most respected tuners in the world always used to advocate road tuning as the better alternative. I have always agreed. Ed proved it to me. It doesn't take a degree to realize why it produces a better tune: drive on the road, tune on the road. The tuning process is IDENTICAL to that of doing it on the dyno... it's just real-life. AFAIK, race cars engines are tuned on engine dynos, put in the car, and the car is then fine-tuned on the track. Nothing simulates actual driving like actual driving. It's simple stuff here.

Yup. I'm one bad *** mother ***ka! Edge of the law, Jeremy! That's me. I wouldn't say I was an accomplice, I'd say Ed was the accomplice and I was the one commiting the crime. Yeah, that's right, I'm helping your argument. The thing is, it's totally hypocritical as I mentioned before. We all speed. You wouldn't buy and DEFINITELY wouldn't modify your WRX if you didn't. I made the choice to road tune and I knew what it involved. If you don't want to do it, then don't. It's your choice. I would never jump on your case and call you a pu$$y (or whatever) for not doing something. I would DEFINITELY not give you flack for something that I, myself, do. You can get off your high and mighty horse now, too.

I have a Cusco flywheel. It's like 10.8 lbs. I don't have startup issues from it... anymore. Lol. Well even in a completely stock WRX a lot of people say/complain that when they start the car [WHEN IT'S FULLY WARM] the rpm's will initially do the little rev like usual and then will dip down below normal idle before settling... sounding and feeling like the car almost stalls itself. Well, the lightweight flywheel actually pushed it over the edge and every now and then it actually would stall. I fixed it by simply using the gas to cushion it and keep it from happening, but Ed was able to get into the start-up maps and change things. It feels completely the same and does everything like the little rev when you first turn the key the same, but it doesn't dip below normal idle. It hits it pretty much dead-on now. It's a nice little touch.

Hahaha. Well, not much arguing I can do with that one. Except the laptop is usually on the passenger seat (aka, to the right) and you can't exactly watch it the whole time unless you're just planning on stopping the run upon hitting the rev limiter... It's just less stuff for the tuner to think about when they don't have to think about operating the vehicle. You're right though, not that doing a pull on a dyno is a mentally-taxing operation...

I guess town is relative . I think I only hit > 100 twice. With my gearing (JDM V5 RA tranny with 4.44 rear end) the top of 4th is only like 98. We were able to watch and log how the turbo spooled and settled in 4th and 5th without exceeding 100. I might be a special case as my gearing is REALLY short though. The only "other" was Ed though. Unless, of course, there was a farmer playing hopscotch on the "country highway"--as the state calls them--3 miles from a cross road.... which I guess is always a possibility. But again, telling me that you don't drive hard and have never risked an "other" would be a lie.




damn!!! I quoted more than I thought I would!!! terrible...

Jeremy

 

Done.