Project Weightloss: SM 02 WRX Wagon
Registered User
iTrader: (11)
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,177
From: Kapolei/Ewa Beach, HI
Car Info: 57 SM 04 STi, 04 Yamaha R6
Gotta learn from my competition here. Although, until I have a DD and I don't have to race and drive my STi, I'll be leaving the majority of my car alone.
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 962
From: Honolulu, HI
Car Info: 99 M3,91 SSM Miata,00 CSP Miata,RX330 DD
So 16.1.I. says
"Front hoods (engine covers), engine covers, trunk lids and hatches
not containing glass, front fenders, rear fenders not part of chassis
structure (unibody), front & rear facias, and side skirts may be
modified or replaced, and may be attached with removable fasteners.
Associated hardware including latches, hinges, window washer
system, and hood liners may be modified, removed, or replaced."
I take it to mean that the bumper and structure can be removed/changed since its not part of the unibody. I have removed some of mine, but not all as I'm using part of it to mount my splitter hardware.
"Front hoods (engine covers), engine covers, trunk lids and hatches
not containing glass, front fenders, rear fenders not part of chassis
structure (unibody), front & rear facias, and side skirts may be
modified or replaced, and may be attached with removable fasteners.
Associated hardware including latches, hinges, window washer
system, and hood liners may be modified, removed, or replaced."
I take it to mean that the bumper and structure can be removed/changed since its not part of the unibody. I have removed some of mine, but not all as I'm using part of it to mount my splitter hardware.
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (14)
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,399
From: Kahaluu, Oahu
Car Info: 07 Sti
So 16.1.I. says
"Front hoods (engine covers), engine covers, trunk lids and hatches
not containing glass, front fenders, rear fenders not part of chassis
structure (unibody), front & rear facias, and side skirts may be
modified or replaced, and may be attached with removable fasteners.
Associated hardware including latches, hinges, window washer
system, and hood liners may be modified, removed, or replaced."
I take it to mean that the bumper and structure can be removed/changed since its not part of the unibody. I have removed some of mine, but not all as I'm using part of it to mount my splitter hardware.
"Front hoods (engine covers), engine covers, trunk lids and hatches
not containing glass, front fenders, rear fenders not part of chassis
structure (unibody), front & rear facias, and side skirts may be
modified or replaced, and may be attached with removable fasteners.
Associated hardware including latches, hinges, window washer
system, and hood liners may be modified, removed, or replaced."
I take it to mean that the bumper and structure can be removed/changed since its not part of the unibody. I have removed some of mine, but not all as I'm using part of it to mount my splitter hardware.
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 962
From: Honolulu, HI
Car Info: 99 M3,91 SSM Miata,00 CSP Miata,RX330 DD
heh they use that tool at nationals to scrub off OPR (other peoples rubber) between runs. craziness. i musta removed OPR and rocks from my codrivers car about 20 times!
Lil' Slugger
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 847
From: N. Lake Tahoe, NV
Car Info: 05 WRB STi Wagon/00 BRP GC Sedan
You can't remove the bumper beam, or use one of the ones supplied with the FMIC in SM. You can cut yours to make the FMIC fit, but you have to add the removed material back on to be the same weight, or only 1lb difference.
This is a good thread on Nasioc for SM:
Street Mod. - NASIOC
This is a good thread on Nasioc for SM:
Street Mod. - NASIOC
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (14)
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,399
From: Kahaluu, Oahu
Car Info: 07 Sti
You can't remove the bumper beam, or use one of the ones supplied with the FMIC in SM. You can cut yours to make the FMIC fit, but you have to add the removed material back on to be the same weight, or only 1lb difference.
This is a good thread on Nasioc for SM:
Street Mod. - NASIOC
This is a good thread on Nasioc for SM:
Street Mod. - NASIOC
Also, reading into the ruleset cory posted it surely sounds like the bumper beams can be replaced, I would say that would be a tech descision if anything.
Lil' Slugger
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 847
From: N. Lake Tahoe, NV
Car Info: 05 WRB STi Wagon/00 BRP GC Sedan
If we were all running in nationals I would say sure, but I know plenty of guys out here are running the beams that come with fmic's, hell, even I did for a while.
Also, reading into the ruleset cory posted it surely sounds like the bumper beams can be replaced, I would say that would be a tech descision if anything.
Also, reading into the ruleset cory posted it surely sounds like the bumper beams can be replaced, I would say that would be a tech descision if anything.
Yes it can always come down to how much you want to abide by the actual rules VS just running locally and doing whatever you want, or partial rule set. But if competition was tight someone could technically protest. If you continue reading the rules it also states:
Originally Posted by SCCA Rules
P. Any minor modification, intended to allow or facilitate any allowed
modification, is permitted as long as it does not provide any intrinsic
performance benefit in and of itself, does not provide a weight reduction
of more than 1 lb, and is not explicitly prohibited elsewhere
within these rules.
This rule is intended to allow minor notching, bending, clearancing,
grinding; the drilling of holes; affixing, relocating, or strengthening of
brackets; removal of small parts, and similar operations performed
in order to facilitate the installation of allowed parts or modifications.
Minor strengthening, without relocation, of original chassis/suspension
pickup points is allowed. Examples include welding washers
restricting control arm mounting bolt movement, local reinforcement
of control arm chassis mounts, etc.
modification, is permitted as long as it does not provide any intrinsic
performance benefit in and of itself, does not provide a weight reduction
of more than 1 lb, and is not explicitly prohibited elsewhere
within these rules.
This rule is intended to allow minor notching, bending, clearancing,
grinding; the drilling of holes; affixing, relocating, or strengthening of
brackets; removal of small parts, and similar operations performed
in order to facilitate the installation of allowed parts or modifications.
Minor strengthening, without relocation, of original chassis/suspension
pickup points is allowed. Examples include welding washers
restricting control arm mounting bolt movement, local reinforcement
of control arm chassis mounts, etc.
I subscribed to this thread, as I am very interested in what you are doing. I like the direction you are going. I have a wagon that is in SM also.
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 962
From: Honolulu, HI
Car Info: 99 M3,91 SSM Miata,00 CSP Miata,RX330 DD
You can't remove the bumper beam, or use one of the ones supplied with the FMIC in SM. You can cut yours to make the FMIC fit, but you have to add the removed material back on to be the same weight, or only 1lb difference.
This is a good thread on Nasioc for SM:
Street Mod. - NASIOC
This is a good thread on Nasioc for SM:
Street Mod. - NASIOC
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 962
From: Honolulu, HI
Car Info: 99 M3,91 SSM Miata,00 CSP Miata,RX330 DD
And to be honest, I'm not going to remove you to E Mod if you have a different beam... we aren't the nationals, and we want to keep it fun. It's not up to us to class your car, though we can recommend. Just make sure you have a beam there, if nothing else, then for safety. Unless you tow it only...