Nate, what did the Viper Killer/Hunter/Penetrator do at the tracks?
Originally Posted by Col. Smith
I am rather new here to the fourms but when I read this I had to put in my 2 cents. I've had my STi for a little over a year now and have decided to go with Cobb's AccessPort instead of the UTEC mainly because of the lack of a 4 wheel dyno on this island. I don't understand how a 4 wheel dyno would not be a profitable investment for a tuner shop like Speedgear. I deal with Hypersport a little and everytime I go, their dyno is always being used. The last time I was at Hypersport the S2000 club was there dynoing all their cars. With all the STI's, EVo's, and Stealth R/T's/3000Gt's on this island - I don't understand how a 4 wheel dyno would be a waste. I mean how else is everyone with a tuneable ECU on their 4 wheel drive cars going to actually "tune" them. I have the AccessPort set on stage 2 91 octane, Cobb downpipe, XXTuning header, and HKS Carbon/Ti catback. My car runs a best of 13.30@102 with those parts. Honestly, I don't see how the STi's with the AVC-R's or UTEC's are going to run to their full potential without a dyno. At least Cobb gives you a ready set program that don't have to be dyno tuned. Bottom line is that the AVC-R and UTEC have to be tuned and to do that effectivley will require a 4 wheel dyno. Also, to me a dyno should be an integral component of a tuner shop. How else is a tuner shop going to gauge the performance increases of their modifications. IMHO a tuner shop without a dyno is like a metal fabrication shop without welding machines. I don't know who assumed that a 4 wheel dyno would be a waste, but I think that concept is actually hurting good tuning shops like Speedgear. I will not sit here and believe the money could be better spent elsewhere. How much better investment could a tuner shop make than to invest in a machine that can gauge how much power their modifications make and to be able to fine tune tuneable ECU's and engine computers - I can't think of a better or more worthwhile investment.
Also, I have seen more WRX's, STi's, Evo's, Eclipse's, and Stealth RT's/3000GT's on this island than Mustang's and Camaro's. Not enough demand - bull. There are more than enough all wheel drive cars on Oahu to make an all wheel drive dyno usefull and profitable.
Also, I have seen more WRX's, STi's, Evo's, Eclipse's, and Stealth RT's/3000GT's on this island than Mustang's and Camaro's. Not enough demand - bull. There are more than enough all wheel drive cars on Oahu to make an all wheel drive dyno usefull and profitable.
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I'm curious as to how many people w/AWD cars are serious to the point where they're gonna shell out good amounts of money for dyno time. If a tuning shop has a dyno and it generates enough money to maintain it, plus a reasonable profit, then I am all for an AWD dyno.
I guess the main concern is that there may not be enough of a serious demand where a tuning shop will invest in something as costly as a dyno.
I think that this has been discussed before in another forum and ballpark figures for the capital required were outlined.
https://www.i-club.com/forums/showth...light=awd+dyno
I guess the main concern is that there may not be enough of a serious demand where a tuning shop will invest in something as costly as a dyno.
I think that this has been discussed before in another forum and ballpark figures for the capital required were outlined.
https://www.i-club.com/forums/showth...light=awd+dyno
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well, lets stick to reality, in hawaii we don't have an AWD dyno in hawaii, therefore, the most acurate tune that we could do is just regular runs on the freeway(at nite with no trafic) like how some of us in hawaii has done with their utecs, with a wide band. this is not a simple thing you can do, and this would take countless hours just to get close to what an AWD dyno could do. but some of them get pretty damn close. as for nates car, further down the road when he does play around more on the AVC-R he should get the times down, right now its not tuned well yet, and ryan has been on his car for like 40 hours within 3 days, so he don't got too much times on his hands.
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Okay....so maybe I may have bashed a decent company like speedgear, after reading some of the replies here - I just realized how much time and effort they put on his car - above and beyond. Maybe its the guys who programmed his ECU from the mainland somewhere. Im just pissed off because when I had problems w/ my BMW which I took to Honolulu Bimmer Service and spent hundreds of dollars for diagnostic and repairs and didnt get any results - wasted money!!! Funny thing is that I ended up troubleshooting it and eventually fixed it myself! You must admit though, it is very dissapointing for anyone who spends $$$$ on a kit which does not even come close to stock STi performance - Im just saying cause If I spent that much - I would expect a decent base map that would at least allow the car to run a little faster than a stock STI to begin with!!! Wouldnt you expect the same???
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Oh and by the way Col. Smith, If youre interested in tuning your car with a dyno...try using the new G-Tech Pro RR! I bought one recently and its amazing, for 300 bucks you'll have your own DYNO! It shows your HP and TQ vs. RPM curve, and its within less than .1 seconds and 1 mph accuracy for the 1/4 mile, as long as you set it correctly! Do not be alarmed when you see how much less HP it shows compared to a dyno, its because youre also fighting Aerodynamic Drag.....my car showed 268HP@ 5540RPM on 4th gear, which would be closer to 285HP on a Vishnu Dyno. A stock STi puts out about 210HP @ wheels.
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Originally Posted by Col. Smith
I am rather new here to the fourms but when I read this I had to put in my 2 cents. I've had my STi for a little over a year now and have decided to go with Cobb's AccessPort instead of the UTEC mainly because of the lack of a 4 wheel dyno on this island. I don't understand how a 4 wheel dyno would not be a profitable investment for a tuner shop like Speedgear. I deal with Hypersport a little and everytime I go, their dyno is always being used. The last time I was at Hypersport the S2000 club was there dynoing all their cars. With all the STI's, EVo's, and Stealth R/T's/3000Gt's on this island - I don't understand how a 4 wheel dyno would be a waste. I mean how else is everyone with a tuneable ECU on their 4 wheel drive cars going to actually "tune" them. I have the AccessPort set on stage 2 91 octane, Cobb downpipe, XXTuning header, and HKS Carbon/Ti catback. My car runs a best of 13.30@102 with those parts. Honestly, I don't see how the STi's with the AVC-R's or UTEC's are going to run to their full potential without a dyno. At least Cobb gives you a ready set program that don't have to be dyno tuned. Bottom line is that the AVC-R and UTEC have to be tuned and to do that effectivley will require a 4 wheel dyno. Also, to me a dyno should be an integral component of a tuner shop. How else is a tuner shop going to gauge the performance increases of their modifications. IMHO a tuner shop without a dyno is like a metal fabrication shop without welding machines. I don't know who assumed that a 4 wheel dyno would be a waste, but I think that concept is actually hurting good tuning shops like Speedgear. I will not sit here and believe the money could be better spent elsewhere. How much better investment could a tuner shop make than to invest in a machine that can gauge how much power their modifications make and to be able to fine tune tuneable ECU's and engine computers - I can't think of a better or more worthwhile investment.
Also, I have seen more WRX's, STi's, Evo's, Eclipse's, and Stealth RT's/3000GT's on this island than Mustang's and Camaro's. Not enough demand - bull. There are more than enough all wheel drive cars on Oahu to make an all wheel drive dyno usefull and profitable.
Also, I have seen more WRX's, STi's, Evo's, Eclipse's, and Stealth RT's/3000GT's on this island than Mustang's and Camaro's. Not enough demand - bull. There are more than enough all wheel drive cars on Oahu to make an all wheel drive dyno usefull and profitable.
Well let see where to begin... I think that your chose in going with the Cobb over a UTEC is a good choice but a little miss lead. An accessport is tuned by a tuner in UTAH at higher altitiude and with a completely different climate than in Hawaii. Not to bust your bubble, but I saw a STi with just a turboback run a 13.0.
Second a tuner that never gets his/her hands on the actual car is just guessing. But they aren't going to send you an unsafe map. They are always going to be on the safe side. At best you can ask is for the timing of the stock ECU to get fixed because everyone know the timing on the stock Subaru ECU sucks.
My reason for saying the UTEC or any other piggy back or standalone ECU is a bad idea is that with out a PROPER DYNO (not one that anyone in Hawaii owns even if it was AWD) one could not set the timing. Timing is more critical to a good tune than A/F. I personally watched on a Dyno that 2 degrees of timing made a bigger HP difference than 15.1 or 9.1 A/F ratios.
Originally Posted by sneezerboi
I'm curious as to how many people w/AWD cars are serious to the point where they're gonna shell out good amounts of money for dyno time. If a tuning shop has a dyno and it generates enough money to maintain it, plus a reasonable profit, then I am all for an AWD dyno.
I guess the main concern is that there may not be enough of a serious demand where a tuning shop will invest in something as costly as a dyno.
I think that this has been discussed before in another forum and ballpark figures for the capital required were outlined.
https://www.i-club.com/forums/showth...light=awd+dyno
I guess the main concern is that there may not be enough of a serious demand where a tuning shop will invest in something as costly as a dyno.
I think that this has been discussed before in another forum and ballpark figures for the capital required were outlined.
https://www.i-club.com/forums/showth...light=awd+dyno
My point exactly. A Proper AWD dyno is around $110,000. You can do the math on what it would cost a month for payments. Now think of how busy it would have to be to make it worth purchasing. How many of you would be willing to spend money on getting your car properly tuned. **** most people b!tch about the price of parts and can bearly get their cars fixed if something happens to it.
If anyone want to have a face to face conversation about this I'll be at the T4T tomorrow.
Mike
Clif notes: You can't tune with out a proper dyno not a Dyno Jet. No one in Hawaii is willing to suck up the initial investment for a proper dyno.
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was a post some time ago about serious tuning at the track and not even ten people were interested. Why in the world would someone invest in an AWD dyno? Seriously, Col Smith or Jones, how many hours would you commit to? It's all about making a profit, and I don't see enough demand. I've been to HyperSports plenty of times and have yet to see their dyno in use once. They have the ability to tune FWD/RWD and even AWD Subies if you disable the AWD. Really, even if you live on the mainland, you might need to travel one or two states for an AWD dyno. Oahu isn't very big (or profitable). If there was money to be made, Farid or a competitor would have already purchased an AWD dyno. Donning my flame suit, hopefully you're donning your common sense suit.
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I don't think it is the climate
My sti ran a 13.00 @104 at the raceway park
with only a turboback and blow valve
And the guy I go to the track with ran a 13.0 something with a turboback and
intake on his STI
Everytime we go to the track we run 13.1's
I have missed a gear and still ran 13's
My sti ran a 13.00 @104 at the raceway park
with only a turboback and blow valve
And the guy I go to the track with ran a 13.0 something with a turboback and
intake on his STI
Everytime we go to the track we run 13.1's
I have missed a gear and still ran 13's
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djdj361,
Which STi do you have....color? You sure you only have those two mods? Most people who ran 13.0s here had a turboback and some sort of engine management upgrade! I'd like to have a little friendly grudge lane match with you this coming friday night - as long as I dont get called in to work!
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Which STi do you have....color? You sure you only have those two mods? Most people who ran 13.0s here had a turboback and some sort of engine management upgrade! I'd like to have a little friendly grudge lane match with you this coming friday night - as long as I dont get called in to work!
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say what??? youre not makin sense....
Originally Posted by oldmansan
was a post some time ago about serious tuning at the track and not even ten people were interested. Why in the world would someone invest in an AWD dyno? Seriously, Col Smith or Jones, how many hours would you commit to? It's all about making a profit, and I don't see enough demand. I've been to HyperSports plenty of times and have yet to see their dyno in use once. They have the ability to tune FWD/RWD and even AWD Subies if you disable the AWD. Really, even if you live on the mainland, you might need to travel one or two states for an AWD dyno. Oahu isn't very big (or profitable). If there was money to be made, Farid or a competitor would have already purchased an AWD dyno. Donning my flame suit, hopefully you're donning your common sense suit.
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thing. You have to also account for personnel to run the dyno. In addition to the dyno cost, you have to factor wages for professional tuners and someone to step on the gas. Factor in an industrial grade wideband O2 sensor, etc. You see where this is going. I consider Farid a friend. If he asked for my advice, I'd tell him I think he'd lose money.
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