The worst school shooting to date...
12-14-2012, 02:21 PM
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And for W0ng3r, lets say we ban guns in this country like we did crack and meth, whats stopping anyone from still getting a gun through underground channels and going on a shooting spree? AKs are banned in this state yet if I wanted one, I could get one.
In other countries gun laws work because societies are run differently. Reputation for you and your family go hand in hand and in some societies if you kill someone, they kill you and your entire family in retaliation. The fear of that keeps you from acting a fool.
12-14-2012, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxBRAH
I kinda like this idea but their salary should be provided by the school and not by the state. In this day and age there should be some sort of security guard with a lethal weapon at just about every place we go to though.
And for W0ng3r, lets say we ban guns in this country like we did crack and meth, whats stopping anyone from still getting a gun through underground channels and going on a shooting spree? AKs are banned in this state yet if I wanted one, I could get one.
It would require a lot of man power, money and years upon years of hard work to clean up the illegal supply of weapons. I won't be naive enough to blame the underground supply of guns on the fact that the constitution allows citizens the right to bear arms.
But it is certainly a problem that has been compounded upon over the decades, and won't be solved easily.
Again, I recognise that guns ALONE aren't the problem,
As for having armed guards on campus, I foresee a number of problems :
1. The sad fact that we need armed guards at schools saddens me and sets a somber tone on the state of society
2. The fact that alot of schools are struggling financially with constant budget cuts, a lack of staff and too more students than they can handle
3. The Inevitable public outrage from parents
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12-14-2012, 02:30 PM
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Horrible incident.... just makes me reel emotionally... especially since I have elementary school age kids myself.
I can't wait for the analysis of the nut jobs. What made em crack and what made them target an elementary school? Is there anything more innocent than little children? f&*^&*^!!!
I can't wait for the analysis of the nut jobs. What made em crack and what made them target an elementary school? Is there anything more innocent than little children? f&*^&*^!!!
12-14-2012, 02:32 PM
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Horrible incident.... just makes me reel emotionally... especially since I have elementary school age kids myself.
I can't wait for the analysis of the nut jobs. What made em crack and what made them target an elementary school? Is there anything more innocent than little children? f&*^&*^!!!
I can't wait for the analysis of the nut jobs. What made em crack and what made them target an elementary school? Is there anything more innocent than little children? f&*^&*^!!!
12-14-2012, 02:39 PM
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Horrible incident.... just makes me reel emotionally... especially since I have elementary school age kids myself.
I can't wait for the analysis of the nut jobs. What made em crack and what made them target an elementary school? Is there anything more innocent than little children? f&*^&*^!!!
I can't wait for the analysis of the nut jobs. What made em crack and what made them target an elementary school? Is there anything more innocent than little children? f&*^&*^!!!
You might want to take a look at a system that only some are beginning to recognize. I am an Educational Specialist (Old terminology would describe me as related with Special Education.) The idea that pops out to me in this case is the dude had OCD and Aspergers, albeit aspergers is somewhat of a learning disability sometimes, a lot of them are really brilliant, but have issues socially with others.
Homosexuals are just making a voice for themselves. Blacks movement, Gays movement, women movement. Maybe some old age movement. No Child Left Behind signed by Bush basically guaranteed a lot of professionals for Special Education, but in reality a lot of places aren't built to work with them in a functional matter as of this date. Special Educational movement?
12-14-2012, 02:40 PM
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I understand where you are coming from because the potential IS there, but there are all kinds of other factors too. Regardless of how, could something like this have been prevented? Whether it is preventing this individual from having weapons or getting him some mental care, and how do we go about that? Crazy people usually don't think they are crazy. That's what we need to figure out, and there is no simple answer to that.
By all accounts, the guy in Aurora wasn't crazy. Everything he had was legal and he had little more than traffic tickets in his past. It is impossible to determine who will do this.
By all accounts, the guy in Aurora wasn't crazy. Everything he had was legal and he had little more than traffic tickets in his past. It is impossible to determine who will do this.
12-14-2012, 02:40 PM
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Well, like I said in a previous post, getting rid of guns is more than a matter of signing a bill.
It would require a lot of man power, money and years upon years of hard work to clean up the illegal supply of weapons. I won't be naive enough to blame the underground supply of guns on the fact that the constitution allows citizens the right to bear arms.
But it is certainly a problem that has been compounded upon over the decades, and won't be solved easily.
Again, I recognise that guns ALONE aren't the problem,
As for having armed guards on campus, I foresee a number of problems :
1. The sad fact that we need armed guards at schools saddens me and sets a somber tone on the state of society
2. The fact that alot of schools are struggling financially with constant budget cuts, a lack of staff and too more students than they can handle
3. The Inevitable public outrage from parents
It would require a lot of man power, money and years upon years of hard work to clean up the illegal supply of weapons. I won't be naive enough to blame the underground supply of guns on the fact that the constitution allows citizens the right to bear arms.
But it is certainly a problem that has been compounded upon over the decades, and won't be solved easily.
Again, I recognise that guns ALONE aren't the problem,
As for having armed guards on campus, I foresee a number of problems :
1. The sad fact that we need armed guards at schools saddens me and sets a somber tone on the state of society
2. The fact that alot of schools are struggling financially with constant budget cuts, a lack of staff and too more students than they can handle
3. The Inevitable public outrage from parents
Add in the fact that media glamorizes all these tragedies, its just a recipe for another guy to "one up" the last one. I couldnt believe earlier on Fox News, the reporter said that the brother in custody looked more like the mass killing spree type and the one that did it looked innocent. I mean what the ****.
But yea the guns thing worked when population was low, morals were taught and generally speaking society was more civilized with one another. Nowadays its just a cluster**** and regardless of how much time we put into banning guns, its going to be another losing battle much like the war on drugs.
12-14-2012, 02:56 PM
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Btw dont most if not all private schools have armed security guards? Whats the ratio of these types of tragedies happening at a private school opposed to public schools? just curious.
12-14-2012, 03:07 PM
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Btw dont most if not all private schools have armed security guards? Whats the ratio of these types of tragedies happening at a private school opposed to public schools? just curious.
12-14-2012, 03:08 PM
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When I used to set up private parties we would do one at a private Jewish school. They had armed guards. We would get searched before being allowed on campus.
12-14-2012, 03:08 PM
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20+kids were massacred today. Have fun with another pointless gun control discussion.
"Grow up". I very likely have underwear older than you.
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12-14-2012, 03:12 PM
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When i went to a private christian school, there were no security guards. When i switched to a public school we had probation, and sometimes PD during the lunch breaks just looking over the students.
