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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 02:21 PM
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Ez fix, have 2 security with guns at every school. Wewt, come shoot in this school now biatch! Money provided by the state for $300k each school to hire 2 of them. More jobs!
I kinda like this idea but their salary should be provided by the school and not by the state. In this day and age there should be some sort of security guard with a lethal weapon at just about every place we go to though.

And for W0ng3r, lets say we ban guns in this country like we did crack and meth, whats stopping anyone from still getting a gun through underground channels and going on a shooting spree? AKs are banned in this state yet if I wanted one, I could get one.

In other countries gun laws work because societies are run differently. Reputation for you and your family go hand in hand and in some societies if you kill someone, they kill you and your entire family in retaliation. The fear of that keeps you from acting a fool.
Old Dec 14, 2012 | 02:26 PM
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my middle school vice principal was the new principal there, according to friends in that area it doesn't look like she made it. I was born and raised in Danbury(neighboring town) and i cant imagine that something like this would happen there
That's horrible dude I'm sorry to hear, just can't even make it out in words how bad this is
Old Dec 14, 2012 | 02:29 PM
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I kinda like this idea but their salary should be provided by the school and not by the state. In this day and age there should be some sort of security guard with a lethal weapon at just about every place we go to though.

And for W0ng3r, lets say we ban guns in this country like we did crack and meth, whats stopping anyone from still getting a gun through underground channels and going on a shooting spree? AKs are banned in this state yet if I wanted one, I could get one.
Well, like I said in a previous post, getting rid of guns is more than a matter of signing a bill.

It would require a lot of man power, money and years upon years of hard work to clean up the illegal supply of weapons. I won't be naive enough to blame the underground supply of guns on the fact that the constitution allows citizens the right to bear arms.

But it is certainly a problem that has been compounded upon over the decades, and won't be solved easily.

Again, I recognise that guns ALONE aren't the problem,


As for having armed guards on campus, I foresee a number of problems :

1. The sad fact that we need armed guards at schools saddens me and sets a somber tone on the state of society

2. The fact that alot of schools are struggling financially with constant budget cuts, a lack of staff and too more students than they can handle

3. The Inevitable public outrage from parents

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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 02:30 PM
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Horrible incident.... just makes me reel emotionally... especially since I have elementary school age kids myself.

I can't wait for the analysis of the nut jobs. What made em crack and what made them target an elementary school? Is there anything more innocent than little children? f&*^&*^!!!
Old Dec 14, 2012 | 02:32 PM
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Horrible incident.... just makes me reel emotionally... especially since I have elementary school age kids myself.

I can't wait for the analysis of the nut jobs. What made em crack and what made them target an elementary school? Is there anything more innocent than little children? f&*^&*^!!!
he didn't go after a school - he went there to kill his mother apparently, she was a first grade teacher there. It just so happened that he didn't stop there.
Old Dec 14, 2012 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by chimchimm5
Horrible incident.... just makes me reel emotionally... especially since I have elementary school age kids myself.

I can't wait for the analysis of the nut jobs. What made em crack and what made them target an elementary school? Is there anything more innocent than little children? f&*^&*^!!!
I agree shooting people are bad. But that nut job comment is what he could have really been.

You might want to take a look at a system that only some are beginning to recognize. I am an Educational Specialist (Old terminology would describe me as related with Special Education.) The idea that pops out to me in this case is the dude had OCD and Aspergers, albeit aspergers is somewhat of a learning disability sometimes, a lot of them are really brilliant, but have issues socially with others.

Homosexuals are just making a voice for themselves. Blacks movement, Gays movement, women movement. Maybe some old age movement. No Child Left Behind signed by Bush basically guaranteed a lot of professionals for Special Education, but in reality a lot of places aren't built to work with them in a functional matter as of this date. Special Educational movement?
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Originally Posted by 04GG
I understand where you are coming from because the potential IS there, but there are all kinds of other factors too. Regardless of how, could something like this have been prevented? Whether it is preventing this individual from having weapons or getting him some mental care, and how do we go about that? Crazy people usually don't think they are crazy. That's what we need to figure out, and there is no simple answer to that.

By all accounts, the guy in Aurora wasn't crazy. Everything he had was legal and he had little more than traffic tickets in his past. It is impossible to determine who will do this.
I heard the aurora guy was determined mentally unfit but the doctor didn't file paperwork soon enough, so the background check didn't catch it when he went to buy his gun
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Well, like I said in a previous post, getting rid of guns is more than a matter of signing a bill.

It would require a lot of man power, money and years upon years of hard work to clean up the illegal supply of weapons. I won't be naive enough to blame the underground supply of guns on the fact that the constitution allows citizens the right to bear arms.

But it is certainly a problem that has been compounded upon over the decades, and won't be solved easily.

Again, I recognise that guns ALONE aren't the problem,


As for having armed guards on campus, I foresee a number of problems :

1. The sad fact that we need armed guards at schools saddens me and sets a somber tone on the state of society

2. The fact that alot of schools are struggling financially with constant budget cuts, a lack of staff and too more students than they can handle

3. The Inevitable public outrage from parents
Honestly I cant see public outrage after whats happened here. Infact I think a lot of people are going to consider home schooling their kids. I feel you on point 1 and 2 but its just the sad state of society we're in now.

Add in the fact that media glamorizes all these tragedies, its just a recipe for another guy to "one up" the last one. I couldnt believe earlier on Fox News, the reporter said that the brother in custody looked more like the mass killing spree type and the one that did it looked innocent. I mean what the ****.

But yea the guns thing worked when population was low, morals were taught and generally speaking society was more civilized with one another. Nowadays its just a cluster**** and regardless of how much time we put into banning guns, its going to be another losing battle much like the war on drugs.
Old Dec 14, 2012 | 02:56 PM
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Btw dont most if not all private schools have armed security guards? Whats the ratio of these types of tragedies happening at a private school opposed to public schools? just curious.
Old Dec 14, 2012 | 03:07 PM
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Btw dont most if not all private schools have armed security guards? Whats the ratio of these types of tragedies happening at a private school opposed to public schools? just curious.
I went to two private schools for 5 years, no armed guards, same with other private schools in toured/visited. just a lot of kids on drugs.
Old Dec 14, 2012 | 03:08 PM
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When I used to set up private parties we would do one at a private Jewish school. They had armed guards. We would get searched before being allowed on campus.
Old Dec 14, 2012 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by w0ng3r
It's a discussion on guns, why are you resorting to name calling? Grow up then you can join in on the discussion

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I didn't call anyone names. It was a dumb statement in thread that I thought was started to show empathy for people that have been hurt and mourn the loss of innocent lives, not to talk about whether or not guns are bad or Singapore is awesome.

20+kids were massacred today. Have fun with another pointless gun control discussion.

"Grow up". I very likely have underwear older than you.

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Old Dec 14, 2012 | 03:12 PM
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When i went to a private christian school, there were no security guards. When i switched to a public school we had probation, and sometimes PD during the lunch breaks just looking over the students.
Old Dec 14, 2012 | 03:16 PM
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So sad! As a new father it scares me that this could happen to CHILDREN! Im moving to Canada...
Old Dec 14, 2012 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxBRAH
Btw dont most if not all private schools have armed security guards?
uh no.



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