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Also, Klay Thompson's mostly there to reduce workload on BOTH Monta and Dorell Wright. Those two played damn near 40 minutes per game all last season. They were starting to get pretty burnt out in the final month. Monta just feels awkward because the front office and Mark Jackson praised him so much and then drafted two players who could play his position. I don't blame him for feeling a little threatened. Also, losing so much in the past few seasons is starting to wear on him, it seems. So, he probably wants to explore other possibilities with another team that can get him into the next level (in terms of wins).
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I think they should just go on ahead and trade Monta to Memphis for Rudy Gay (overpaid, but definitely fits GSW's needs at the SF spot). As you can see, they did very well in the playoffs without Rudy Gay. IMO, Rudy Gay is expendable in Memphis. Imagine how many of his jerseys you can sell in the Bay Area too! LOL Memphis is a surging franchise that's on the up and up. Zach Randolph had a renaissance of a season and matured into more of a key team player (compared to his days in Portland). I just hope Monta develops more of a team game with his talents without losing his efficiency. That's the only thing that's missing. Heck, watching the Memphis Grizzlies this past post season really reminded me of the 2007 "We Believe" team, so it'd be a great fit for Monta Ellis at this stage of his career.
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God, I'd be happy with just giving him away for the sake of a contract dump. What a lost cause when you totally have the wrong coaches for players like him.
Well rumor has it that Houston offered Hasheem Thabeet and Jordan Hill. If they are indeed expiring contracts, I would take them. But ESPN's trade machine says they still have 2 years left. Dunno...
Here's Marcus Thompson's article on it, good read:
http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2011...away-biedrins/
Here's Marcus Thompson's article on it, good read:
http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2011...away-biedrins/
By Marcus Thompson
Saturday, June 25th, 2011 at 3:55 pm in Uncategorized.
Was able to confirm reports by the Houston Chronicle that the Rockets are indeed interested in acquiring Warriors center Andris Biedrins. Houston, with Yao Ming and Chuck Hayes as their expected center options next season, are in need of a big man since Yao’s ability to play again is still suspect and Chuck Hayes, while valiant and completely useful, is probably not a starting center on a playoff team.
For Warriors fans, who have been hoping for Biedrins’ departure for some time, that means the Warriors just may be able to move Biedrins. That was once thought to be impossible considering the drastic decline in his production and the three years, $27 million he has left on his contract. But apparently, Houston is a taker.
So why is Biedrins still a Warrior you ask? While this may seem the perfect answer to the Warriors’ ills, Golden State, according to multiple sources, are not at all enamored with the Rockets’ offer thus far.
I’ve been told the Rockets have offered Hasheem Thabeet and Jordan Hill. Haven’t confirmed if they were offered as a package, but the figures add up. Thabeet, a former No. 2 overall pick, is widely regarded as someone who simply not good enough to play in the NBA and probably won’t be. There is still some hope for Jordan Hill, but he’s got a Post-It note on his back that says “stiff.”
Bottom line for the Warriors: that’s not enough.
On one hand, you would think they would trade Biedrins for a pair of retro Jordans and a bootleg DVD – just to get rid of the salary. On the other hand, there is a level of shrewd trading going on here. (I was completely with the former, but after talking with a few people, I see the logic in the latter. Not sure I would adhere to it, but I see it.) Here are both sides, as I understand them.
WHY TRADE HIM?
* Both Thabeet and Jordan Hill are up after next season. That means the Warriors would be shaving $18 million off future cap. Big-baller Lacob could even try to buy out those two, maybe save a couple million for this coming season.
* The Warriors would be getting rid of a burden, as the task of getting Biedrins back to himself impacts other players. Certainly, David Lee is better without a struggling Biedrins next to him. The Warriors offense is better without a player afraid to get fouled and who needs to get a few shots to feel involved. And my money says part of the reasons Ellis may wants to go is he’s tired of playing with guys not getting it done, such as Biedrins.
* The Warriors would free up time for Ekpe Udoh. No Biedrins means no excuse as to why he isn’t playing more minutes. Udoh needs minutes. He’s got some development to do and he’s only going to get it by playing. Smart protected Udoh most of last season, going with Biedrins even when it was clear Udoh should be playing.
* Fans have grown tired of Biedrins’ struggles. It would certainly help PR wise if they got rid of him.
*They need to go get a real center. Moving Biedrins now forces them to be aggressive and decisive. Nothing would add to the desperation like looking on the roster and seeing Hasheem Thabeet as your No. 2 center. Maybe that’s what the Warriors need to get it done. Maybe the hope that Biedrins will somehow get back to where he was would make them a little gun shy. Might lead to overspending, but that was probably going to happen anyway. Easier to do without his $27 million on the books.
WHY KEEP HIM?
*Because, even at his worst, he’s better than Thabeet. And probably Jordan Hill, too. If he gets marginally better, he’s definitely better than those guys
*You can probably get more later. Instead of selling while his stock is at an all-time low, you might as well wait it out and see if you can get a role player or even a draft pick. The guy was a starting NBA center. You just don’t give those up for nothing. If he goes to Houston and turns it around, you look awful for giving up a serviceable big man for two stiffs.
* Give the current plan (work out in the Bay) and the new staff a chance. Biedrins was at his best when he played with good facilitators (Baron, Jax). Last season, Keith Smart ran through the offense through Monta, which left everybody, for the most part, having to get their own. Biedrins is not that kind of player. He needs someone to remember him, to set him up, to make sure he eats. Maybe Mark Jackson puts that onus on Stephen Curry this year. The hard-to-swallow truth is centers are too hard to find. Biedrins, if he’s playing his game, is a solid NBA center. Until you get one better, it might be smarter just to maximize what you can get from him. Clearly, the Rockets are willing to.
* If they move Biedrins for Thabeet and/or Hill, that moves Ekpe into the role of starting center. Is that wise? Maybe they should be getting him to his natural position, PF. But if Thabeet and Hill are really not ready, that leaves Udoh, David Lee and now Jeremy Tyler as the centers on the team. If I’m Mark Jackson, I wouldn’t be too happy about that.
Saturday, June 25th, 2011 at 3:55 pm in Uncategorized.
Was able to confirm reports by the Houston Chronicle that the Rockets are indeed interested in acquiring Warriors center Andris Biedrins. Houston, with Yao Ming and Chuck Hayes as their expected center options next season, are in need of a big man since Yao’s ability to play again is still suspect and Chuck Hayes, while valiant and completely useful, is probably not a starting center on a playoff team.
For Warriors fans, who have been hoping for Biedrins’ departure for some time, that means the Warriors just may be able to move Biedrins. That was once thought to be impossible considering the drastic decline in his production and the three years, $27 million he has left on his contract. But apparently, Houston is a taker.
So why is Biedrins still a Warrior you ask? While this may seem the perfect answer to the Warriors’ ills, Golden State, according to multiple sources, are not at all enamored with the Rockets’ offer thus far.
I’ve been told the Rockets have offered Hasheem Thabeet and Jordan Hill. Haven’t confirmed if they were offered as a package, but the figures add up. Thabeet, a former No. 2 overall pick, is widely regarded as someone who simply not good enough to play in the NBA and probably won’t be. There is still some hope for Jordan Hill, but he’s got a Post-It note on his back that says “stiff.”
Bottom line for the Warriors: that’s not enough.
On one hand, you would think they would trade Biedrins for a pair of retro Jordans and a bootleg DVD – just to get rid of the salary. On the other hand, there is a level of shrewd trading going on here. (I was completely with the former, but after talking with a few people, I see the logic in the latter. Not sure I would adhere to it, but I see it.) Here are both sides, as I understand them.
WHY TRADE HIM?
* Both Thabeet and Jordan Hill are up after next season. That means the Warriors would be shaving $18 million off future cap. Big-baller Lacob could even try to buy out those two, maybe save a couple million for this coming season.
* The Warriors would be getting rid of a burden, as the task of getting Biedrins back to himself impacts other players. Certainly, David Lee is better without a struggling Biedrins next to him. The Warriors offense is better without a player afraid to get fouled and who needs to get a few shots to feel involved. And my money says part of the reasons Ellis may wants to go is he’s tired of playing with guys not getting it done, such as Biedrins.
* The Warriors would free up time for Ekpe Udoh. No Biedrins means no excuse as to why he isn’t playing more minutes. Udoh needs minutes. He’s got some development to do and he’s only going to get it by playing. Smart protected Udoh most of last season, going with Biedrins even when it was clear Udoh should be playing.
* Fans have grown tired of Biedrins’ struggles. It would certainly help PR wise if they got rid of him.
*They need to go get a real center. Moving Biedrins now forces them to be aggressive and decisive. Nothing would add to the desperation like looking on the roster and seeing Hasheem Thabeet as your No. 2 center. Maybe that’s what the Warriors need to get it done. Maybe the hope that Biedrins will somehow get back to where he was would make them a little gun shy. Might lead to overspending, but that was probably going to happen anyway. Easier to do without his $27 million on the books.
WHY KEEP HIM?
*Because, even at his worst, he’s better than Thabeet. And probably Jordan Hill, too. If he gets marginally better, he’s definitely better than those guys
*You can probably get more later. Instead of selling while his stock is at an all-time low, you might as well wait it out and see if you can get a role player or even a draft pick. The guy was a starting NBA center. You just don’t give those up for nothing. If he goes to Houston and turns it around, you look awful for giving up a serviceable big man for two stiffs.
* Give the current plan (work out in the Bay) and the new staff a chance. Biedrins was at his best when he played with good facilitators (Baron, Jax). Last season, Keith Smart ran through the offense through Monta, which left everybody, for the most part, having to get their own. Biedrins is not that kind of player. He needs someone to remember him, to set him up, to make sure he eats. Maybe Mark Jackson puts that onus on Stephen Curry this year. The hard-to-swallow truth is centers are too hard to find. Biedrins, if he’s playing his game, is a solid NBA center. Until you get one better, it might be smarter just to maximize what you can get from him. Clearly, the Rockets are willing to.
* If they move Biedrins for Thabeet and/or Hill, that moves Ekpe into the role of starting center. Is that wise? Maybe they should be getting him to his natural position, PF. But if Thabeet and Hill are really not ready, that leaves Udoh, David Lee and now Jeremy Tyler as the centers on the team. If I’m Mark Jackson, I wouldn’t be too happy about that.
Guess I read it wrong on MT2's article. It is 2 years. 2 years of trash players vs 3 years of a trash player. I don't think I'd do the trade unless Lacob buys them out.
Edit: I think the contract of Thabeet and Hill is 1 year left, with team option after that.
Edit: I think the contract of Thabeet and Hill is 1 year left, with team option after that.
Last edited by TurnWRX; Jun 30, 2011 at 04:05 PM.
Guess Acie Law's not coming back as a Warrior.
Law just signed a 1 year deal with a Serbian team. Does not have an out-clause that would allow him to come back to NBA if lockout is lifted.
Law just signed a 1 year deal with a Serbian team. Does not have an out-clause that would allow him to come back to NBA if lockout is lifted.
Reggie Williams officially leaves the Warriors, signing a 1 year $1.5 million contract to play overseas. He won't be able to opt out for free if the NBA lockout is lifted. If he does opt out, he will have to pay $1 million out of his own pocket.
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Yea, for a guy like him who's pretty talented, but still has a young career left with no guarantees, he needs to play overseas in the meantime and can't afford to sit around like the other NBA players who aren't playing their careers contract to contract.
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By Marcus Thompson
Wednesday, October 12th, 2011 at 4:52 pm in Uncategorized.
The Warriors exhibition game has grown from rumor to idea to reality. On Oct. 29 at the San Jose Events Center, members of the legendary “We Believe” team will take on members of the current Golden State roster in a charity game.
Jason Richardson, Matt Barnes, Kelenna Azubuike and Anthony Morrow are confirmed to represent the “We Believe” squad, which is now part of Warriors lore for upsetting top-seeded Dallas in the first round of the 2007 playoffs.
Barnes is working on securing Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington.
Point guard Stephen Curry highlights the current roster, which has also confirmed Dorell Wright, Jeremy Lin, Charlie Bell and rookie Jeremy Tyler.
Curry is recruiting guard Monta Ellis and David Lee.
All proceeds from the event will benefit Kaiser Permanente Breast Cancer Research foundation and Barnes’ Athletes vs. Cancer foundation.
Coaches have not been named.
Tickets are expected to go on sale this weekend.
Wednesday, October 12th, 2011 at 4:52 pm in Uncategorized.
The Warriors exhibition game has grown from rumor to idea to reality. On Oct. 29 at the San Jose Events Center, members of the legendary “We Believe” team will take on members of the current Golden State roster in a charity game.
Jason Richardson, Matt Barnes, Kelenna Azubuike and Anthony Morrow are confirmed to represent the “We Believe” squad, which is now part of Warriors lore for upsetting top-seeded Dallas in the first round of the 2007 playoffs.
Barnes is working on securing Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington.
Point guard Stephen Curry highlights the current roster, which has also confirmed Dorell Wright, Jeremy Lin, Charlie Bell and rookie Jeremy Tyler.
Curry is recruiting guard Monta Ellis and David Lee.
All proceeds from the event will benefit Kaiser Permanente Breast Cancer Research foundation and Barnes’ Athletes vs. Cancer foundation.
Coaches have not been named.
Tickets are expected to go on sale this weekend.
Anybody gonna go? I wonder if Biedrins will join the We Believe team. But then again, he doesn't take part in any offseason activities so I doubt he'll even make it to the game.
Baron Davis
Jason Richardson
Stephen Jackson
Al Harrington
Matt Barnes
Anthony Morrow
Kelenna Azuibuke
vs
Stephen Curry
Monta Ellis
Dorrell Wright
David Lee
Jeremy Tyler
Jeremy Lin
Charlie Bell
I think if all those players showed up, the We Believe team would absolutely pwn our current team lol
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That game sounds tight haha, I feel like it'll be a decently matched game...barons old vs monta/curry
Everyone shoots 3s and no rebounds haha it'll be a fun game to watch
Everyone shoots 3s and no rebounds haha it'll be a fun game to watch


